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When the Revolution Came for Amy Cuddy

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Re: When the Revolution Came for Amy Cuddy

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The most important sentence of the article, which appears at the end:

"Although 11 new papers have recently been published that do not show the downstream effects of power posing on behaviors, Cuddy is still fighting for power posing."

This is an astonishing number of replications to be published on one topic in psychology. 2-3x the next highest number I heave heard of.

The placement of that sentence, plus the flattering photos, leads me to suspect a publicist was able to place a thumb on the scale.

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>This moment of fizziness for the discipline was already underway when Cuddy arrived at Princeton’s graduate program in 2000, transferring there to follow her adviser, Susan Fiske, with whom she first worked at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.

This is the same Susan Fiske who called people who pointed out statistical errors in psychology papers "methodological terrorists". http://andrewgelman.com/2016/09/21/what-has-happened-down-he... The apple does not fall far from the tree.

Re: When the Revolution Came for Amy Cuddy

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>This moment of fizziness for the discipline was already underway when Cuddy arrived at Princeton’s graduate program in 2000, transferring there to follow her adviser, Susan Fiske, with whom she first worked at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. This is the same Susan Fiske who called people who pointed out statistical errors in psychology papers "methodological terrorists". http://andrewgelman.com/2016/09/2…

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Re: When the Revolution Came for Amy Cuddy

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It occurs to me that the replication crisis largely came into being because scientists are rewarded for publishing papers that demonstrate some effect and not for publishing papers that fail to demonstrate anything, and so the right fix would have been to fix the broken incentives. But apparently (if this article is to be believed) no such change in incentives has happened - the only thing is that there are now also incentives for demonstrating that some other study wasn't replicable. Steadily doing good science, where good science is expected not to produce results much of the time, continues to have no support. Is it any wonder that the state of science seems a little better (at least we can admit the replication crisis now) but people like Cuddy feel like they have no future in the field, that having the misfortune of the one-in-twenty chance of getting a really interesting false positive at p = 0.05 means you either have to double down on the study being right after all or you have to quit the field? Are schools actually looking at past p-hacking while continuing to demand a huge publication record for hiring? This doesn't seem like we've solved any fundamental problems.

(Also, as a side note, I'd fully expect that CS is at least as vulnerable to the same thing. McSherry et al.'s COST work is a good example of something that seems far worse than p-hacking: instead of having a clearly defined hypothesis and publishing the 1-in-20 papers that falsely state it's true, as in other fields, there's nothing clearly defined in scalable systems and 20 out of 20 people who build something excessively complicated can get a paper out of it.)

Re: When the Revolution Came for Amy Cuddy

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I'm sure there's already been a discussion on how much of the effect of power poses is due to confirmation bias or placebo effect, as opposed to some other physiological or psychosomatic reason. Especially since in the original study the subjects weren't actually told what they were doing, but in Dr Cuddy's talks and books they explicitly are.

It's just curious to me that she and Dr Fiske wouldn't catch this crucial difference immediately. Effectively it turns power poses into little more than 'the power of positive thinking'.

That said, personal attacks and especially those focusing on her brain function really need to stop. Psychologists treating each other like shit is not just ironic, it's a disgrace. If they can't even behave properly with each other, how can we expect them to treat patients properly?

Re: When the Revolution Came for Amy Cuddy

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>This moment of fizziness for the discipline was already underway when Cuddy arrived at Princeton’s graduate program in 2000, transferring there to follow her adviser, Susan Fiske, with whom she first worked at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. This is the same Susan Fiske who called people who pointed out statistical errors in psychology papers "methodological terrorists". http://andrewgelman.com/2016/09/2…

You mischaracterize. Fiske is not criticizing "people who pointed out statistical errors" and begins the entire essay by explicitly stating as such: "Our field has always encourages -- required, really -- peer critiques"!

She is criticizing "unfiltered trash-talk [on social media]... [and] online vigilantes [who] are attacking individuals, their research programs, and their careers".

It's the same tension the article is referring to, between civility and public discourse. On one hand, you'd really like an open dialog about the quality of evidence presented. On the other hand, there's a real price to be paid when people are too worried about public humiliation to risk doing science on certain questions or working with certain people.

As the quote from Jay Van Bavel put it, "It's become like politics — we’ve created two camps of people who shouldn’t be in two camps in the first place"

This point resonated with me even though I'm on your side of those politics. What effect would it have on the OSS community if any even slightly bad code you write could end up in a hit piece published by The Atlantic, and if fact you witnessed people on Facebook saying your colleague, who maybe did write some kinda bad code that one time but is on the whole competent, is a charlatan who doesn't deserve the title of "programmer"?

Re: When the Revolution Came for Amy Cuddy

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Andrew Gelman (of NYU), who is featured in the story and is criticized by Cuddy as being unfair and trollish, wrote a response:

http://andrewgelman.com/2017/10/18/beyond-power-pose-using-r...

I thought that Gelman wasn't presented in the best of light, especially his awkward quotes about not wanting to engage in "interpersonal conflict". But he called the piece "excellent and fair to all sides" and was pretty gracious in response to Cuddy's criticisms and how the NYT portrayed him. I honestly wasn't a huge fan of the article but re-reading it after a bit of sleep, and knowing that Gelman thought it was strong, I appreciated the issues it brought up. Certainly has to be one of the longest stories about p-hacking/p-curves in mainstream media.

I sympathize with Cuddy and have no doubt that among the legit attention that Gelman and other critics have directed toward her, she's faced hatemail sparked by dumb sexism, which makes it easier to tar the legitimate criticism as being sexist.

I do think Cuddy needs to face legitimate criticism. She may not have been a malicious fraudster, but ignoring criticism after a long time is not much different than actively being deceptive. I also can believe that she faces hostile criticism that isn't equally distributed among all the other researchers who used weak, but previously acceptable standards. And I don't think sexism can be dismissed outright, if people find it safer to talk shit to a woman compared to a man.

What I wish the story had more of was how scientific criticism is done outside of Gelman's blog. Gelman is the main scientist/research I follow on the topic. Apparently some see his snarky critique as toxic, and Gelman says he is intending to reevaluate the way he writes about things so that his point doesn't get lost in cheap jokes. How do other blogs do it? I'm somewhat sympathetic to Gelman because I perceive that there is significant institutional resistance (and few incentives) to re-examine and correct a peer review study, and being harsh/edgy/rude and beating the drum over time might be the only way to get scientists to care? But that doesn't mean his critique can't be refined for the benefit of his mission.

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