Article doesn’t mention what I believe is one mod tool: shadow banning accounts based on IP. I had a bunch of accounts get shadowbanned for no evident reason and after a while I deduced it was based on using the account from a particular cafe’s WiFi. I just created this account and if I go use it from that place I will be banned again by some automated process.
Banning by IP is so commonplace that it shouldn't need to be mentioned.
Analyzing HN moderation and censorship
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where is this documented? Not trying to be snippy - I have no idea what powers the moderators have in this realm. Maybe HN could benefit from some lobste.rs-esque moderation transparency.
dang made a full writeup here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11662380 I agree it (along with other moderation behaviors described in the article) should be documented more explicitly in the guidelines/FAQ
When google released its page-rank algorithm it became a target for manipulation and entire forums got wrecked (until nofollow) with the wave of consequences it created.
I think the threat of user manipulation will always outweigh that of mod manipulation. Worth considering.
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#53Moderators should in no way be able to bury posts or even nudge them downwards. This is a cowardly way to try to control discussion. If it isn't explicitly against the site rules, let the readers decide.
From Dans explanation in the post: > We downweight posts in response to things that go against the site guidelines, such as when a submission is unsubstantive, baity or sensational. So, this is what's happening already.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
From Dans explanation in the post: > We downweight posts in response to things that go against the site guidelines, such as when a submission is unsubstantive, baity or sensational. So, this is what's happening already.
Oh, good to know. Guess we don't need any kind of logging system for that, we'll just take it at face value - I'm sure there are absolutely no other reasons that mods would downweight posts, so that's just great. /s
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Censorship by Ministry of Culture of the People's Republic of China" How about: "Curation by Ministry of Culture of the People's Republic of China"
There's a practical difference between optimizing for content quality with honest and well-known criteria. And, optimization to prevent people to subject the party-line to criticism. Unless you have examples where it has been the case, that's an unfair comparison.
Well, yes. I really appreciate what dang & the rest of the moderators do in order to remove spam & optimise for quality — yet at the same time I really dislike a large number of the instances I've seen where they've exercised control to protect the party line from criticism (e.g. detaching subthreads or posting 'please don't argue X; we don't accept that here'). My perception (which of course is subjective, subject to confirmation bias & could be wrong) is that the vast majority of those instances I've seen have been egregiously wrong.
I've noticed fewer instances recently, perhaps because the moderators have been silently moderating or perhaps because they've actually refrained from exercising so heavy a hand.
Like I said, I approve of the good they do with respect to quality, but I actively disapprove of the censorship they have committed. Instances of the former greatly outweigh instances of the latter, but one instance of censorship is too many (it is, of course, Y Combinator's site to do with as they will).
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#56Paywalled articles are explicitly not against the rules.
With the weakening of the Google workaround that's baked into the HN header, more and more submissions are going to run afoul of that condition.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is silly.
Is it though. Because it seems like we have zero evidence either which way, and your account is seemingly always on the status quo side. Myself, I see fuck all discussion on here any more that reminds me of old HN.
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#58Moderators should in no way be able to bury posts or even nudge them downwards. This is a cowardly way to try to control discussion. If it isn't explicitly against the site rules, let the readers decide.
I strongly disagree. As user base grows, all platforms suffer from mean reversion or "Eternal September" where quality of the content reverses towards low quality issues. If you want to keep up the quality you need editorial staff. Call them curators, editors or moderators if you want. What I would like to happen is HN editing being transparent. Show buried or nudged content differently so that those who submit can a…
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I had a bunch of accounts Maybe that is the problem.
He said he registered them from Public Wifi. So anyone registering first account on HN from said cafee will be banned? Why are you so surprised he might have multiple accounts? You really have one email account? How about work-related email? Company-facing related email? If anything, its actually good he has multiple accounts and stuff related to / from his company account he is posting from company, and private is p…
No, I have 5, but I only have one HN account. Why would I need more?
I was thinking more that he might have been identified as being the same person posting from multiple accounts, and activating some kind of spam/abuse protection.
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#60In my opinion, far more than moderation, HN is effected by who votes for the new articles. If you look at the "new" page then most stories never even get one upvote. Those who do go over there and upvote stories have far more power than those who only ever look at the front page. Sadly, it seems that there are too many stories on "new" for a person to sit there, read each one, and upvote, so the only real way to get…
It seems not very hard to register an HN account.