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Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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nolok wrote: post #114
amigoingtodie wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 98 'Second Edition' supported USB. I just want to say that Windows 10 does feel like Windows Millenium (an 'incomplete' OS).

I don't see how you can say that, unless you've not actually used Windows ME and/or 10 for any significant period of time. Windows 10 is very well polished. It's also the first windows where most of the user's gripes are stuff added on top of it (telemetry, simplified/restricted update system, ...). Windows ME, by comparison, was so bad that merely leaving it running would end up causing PC Health crashes.

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Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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Post by j45 »

JorgeGT wrote: post #10

It's quite interesting that with the power of today's mobile devices (multicore 1GHz+ CPUs, GPUs, 2Gb+ RAM) we still don't have a standardized interface to plug them into desktop peripherals and launch a desktop OS/GUI. One would thing that such an universal interface would quickly become a standard offering in airports, hotels, libraries, conferences, etc.

In addition to Samsung's own smart docks, Sentio is doing something like that with their superbook. http://www.getsuperbook.com. They had a dock as well for a while.

Phones with 8gb of ram like the Oneplus 5 make this more and more appealing to try out.

Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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Post by j45 »

nickcw wrote: post #12

I think termux ( https://termux.com/ ) does most of what I need when I need a bit of emergency Linux on my phone. Termux provides a recompiled debian distro which runs as a android App. It doesn't chroot or need root and it works amazingly well. No desktop apps though.

This looks awesome to try out with something like the Samsung dock or sentio's superbook. Not affiliated with either.

Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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Post by ethbro »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #128
baldfat wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AT&T killed that idea fast 6 years ago. When the Motorola Atrix came out with the ability to do that AT&T charge a $20 tethering fee to use the laptop dock with the phone! That blew my mind. The phone wasn't tethering data to anything but itself. https://www.wired.com/2011/03/motorola-atrix/

Tethering fees are another "brilliant" invention by the customer-hating American telcos. You get a set amount of data per month, for instance 20GB. Why should they care at all what you decide to use that data for?

chuckles I had an ex-gf who worked on the customer service side of Sprint and we went round and round about this. There must have been some serious corporate messaging to their employees to justify tethering fees.

I will say, in the carrier's only defense: when the market demanded everyone sell vastly oversubscribed "unlimited" plans at rates that were far too low to support them... then prohibiting tethering had an argument. (As anything that promoted higher data consumption led to directly increased costs)

Now? With "unlimited w/ cap" or "data-by-the-GB" plans? Absolutely a ploy to screw customers.

Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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Post by ballade »

Brakenshire wrote: post #136
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tethering fees are another "brilliant" invention by the customer-hating American telcos. You get a set amount of data per month, for instance 20GB. Why should they care at all what you decide to use that data for?

Doesn't seem to be a thing in the UK, at least it hasn't been an issue for the 2 telecoms companies I've used.

As it is with most countries in Europe and I think many in Asia as well (correct me if I'm wrong). This is just an example of America's hardcore capitalism where certain markets are dominated by a few key players and the only entity capable of stopping them from enacting these batshit insane anti-consumer tactics are congress who are more than happy to take their bribes whilst shafting the average American consumer.

Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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Post by MikusR »

bergie wrote: post #95
diegoprzl wrote: post #73

Just bought a Dex Station. If Emacs runs well enough then it will be a lifesaver.

If Emacs is all you need, you can run it today with Termux. Dex is of course nice for giving a bigger screen etc. What this "Linux on Galaxy" thing will provide on top of Termux is X (or Wayland?) and probably a bigger selection of software.

https://i.imgur.com/Nt8S1lw.jpg Example of Emacs in termux on dex. You can also run in semi fullscreen tabbar and applist will be visible.

Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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Post by ethbro »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #130
nolok wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how you can say that, unless you've not actually used Windows ME and/or 10 for any significant period of time. Windows 10 is very well polished. It's also the first windows where most of the user's gripes are stuff added on top of it (telemetry, simplified/restricted update system, ...). Windows ME, by comparison, was so bad that merely leaving it running would end up causing PC Health crashes.

>Windows 10 is very well polished Well, aside from Windows Defender steadfastly turning itself off because it thinks I have a different AV package installed (I don't) and "helpfully" redirecting me to uninstall the offending software first. Only there is no other AV package to uninstall. I have so far been absolutely unable to find any sort of resolution to this issue, short of a full reinstall.

The userland / GUI in Win10 still has issues.

But the kernel and system side are miles above ME. We're talking about a time when you could turn a system on, sit there and watch it for a couple hours without touching anything, and it would crash itself.

Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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Post by philtar »

saagarjha wrote: post #55

> Linux on Galaxy allows the latest Samsung Galaxy smartphone users to run their preferred Linux distribution on their smartphones utilizing the same Linux kernel that powers the Android OS to ensure the best possible performance. (emphasis mine) I knew there was a catch somewhere. I seriously doubt there's a technical reason why older Galaxy models can't support running Linux as well. I don't understand why it's so…

I hope the CEO of Samsung comes out and says "You know what, we're canceling this project because saagarjha couldn't just take a nice thing at face value and had to complain. There, so now now Linux on the old galaxies or the latest galaxies. Enjoy, earthlings."

Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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Post by jclardy »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #128
baldfat wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AT&T killed that idea fast 6 years ago. When the Motorola Atrix came out with the ability to do that AT&T charge a $20 tethering fee to use the laptop dock with the phone! That blew my mind. The phone wasn't tethering data to anything but itself. https://www.wired.com/2011/03/motorola-atrix/

Tethering fees are another "brilliant" invention by the customer-hating American telcos. You get a set amount of data per month, for instance 20GB. Why should they care at all what you decide to use that data for?

Tethering fees made sense when the ability to tether was added to smartphones (officially.) The original "Unlimited" plan people signed up for was intended to be limited by the rate that the phone itself could use data, which was slow.

Tethering fees on limited plans are incredibly stupid, and just a cash grab by carriers. Luckily most major carriers have eliminated them now.

Re: Linux on Samsung Galaxy smartphones

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Post by rsync »

JorgeGT wrote: post #10

It's quite interesting that with the power of today's mobile devices (multicore 1GHz+ CPUs, GPUs, 2Gb+ RAM) we still don't have a standardized interface to plug them into desktop peripherals and launch a desktop OS/GUI. One would thing that such an universal interface would quickly become a standard offering in airports, hotels, libraries, conferences, etc.

"One would thing that such an universal interface would quickly become a standard offering in airports, hotels, libraries, conferences, etc."

My favorite computing peripheral form factor has always been the PCMCIA card.

It seems to me that you could fit a minimum viable phone inside a PCMCIA card and then insert that PCMCIA card into a normal sized laptop when you choose.

The laptop would have no CPU/RAM - it's just a big USB keyboard and monitor - and the phone would probably have limited battery life, given the size (although you could bump out the non-port end of the PCMCIA card with some extra battery, the same way that wifi cards had an antenna bump ...)

Something like this was proposed ... there was some minor project where they had built an entire PC (not a phone) into a PCMCIA card (although with different pin-outs) and proposed using it as a portable "guts" for any laptop "host" but I can't find the URL for that project anymore ...

I certainly would welcome a phone the size of a pc-card and a cable-less docking of the brain into the host laptop would be much better than either 2-3 USB cables or some weird, proprietary phone dock ...

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