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Ask HN: Why do you believe that your religion/faith/worldview is correct?

#1
Nearly everyone in this world holds to some central and defining philosopy or faith or religion that shapes the meaning of life for them. I would like to know: What, in your opinion, is the most compelling reason that persuades YOU to believe that your particular "world-view" is accurate/true/trustworthy? Do you base your belief on scientific reasoning? historical evidence? philosophical syllogisms? simple "faith"?

This is an honest and genuine question. Feel free to ask clarifying questions of responders, but please no trolls or religious debates. We're just looking for a respectful exchange of ideas.

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#2
I’ve had my worldview destroyed and changed so many times that personally I don’t put too much weight on my current worldview. I believe I’m in the minority though.

I believe my worldview is a tool to help me get what I want while avoiding the things I don’t want. That’s probably the case for most people.

As my “wants” and “do not wants” change so does my worldview. Once I get the thing I want or I can’t seem to get the thing I want then I have to re-evaluate my worldview and/or wants.

I believe most people’s worldview is fairly static. They find something that is good enough (they don’t suffer too much and they kind of get what they want) and they stick with that. Problems happen when these two groups of worldviews clash.

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#3
A God who defines His paramount and most important characteristic as being Holy not His power. The God Jehovah Jesus HolySpirit is the God who is worthy of being called God. Scientific reasoning only proves to me the existence of God as does historical evidence. The levels and layers of interdependent complexities in the universe and living things in the macro and micro are without a doubt proof of such an amazingly intelligent and powerful being.

Some things that confuse me are the stories of a global flood occurring and as a result all humans deriving from noah. Why God seems to be amazing when it comes to math and science and yet He spends a lot of his interaction with us on the foibles of man because we are obviously flawed creatures ( I know that I am ). As though He is surprised by how wretched and evil we are at times.

Evolution just seems to be the self generative and adaptive mechanistic process by which God seems to build complex from the simple. I think that doing it this way is harder than to just produce fully formed complex systems whole cloth. It is actually a more thought out and elegant method of producing robust survivable beings.

Just as an aside, it almost seems to me that when he created this universe, He first started with what a human needs to be in order to have dexterity (fingers etc..), intelligence, communication (vocal cords) and so on. Working backwards creating a physical programming language(dna,rna) that synthesizes molecules tailored exactly so for biochemical systems, to atoms to subatomic particles and the forces/fields that govern/marshal these discrete particles.

Amazingly, these 92 elements had to be created in generations of stars and neutron stars as only the simple element hydrogen existed.

sorry for rambling on.

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#4
I'm an agnostic (because agnosticism >> atheism in terms of empirical strength), and the extent of my theological beliefs is: only an atheist can be a true christian [0] and Matthew 10:34:

> "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send [or bring] peace, but a sword."

As for religion, I think it's mostly a vessel for 'naturally' (socially) selected rituals, and the spirituality is tacked on after the fact [1]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X_hwUEPelQ

[1] https://medium.com/incerto/we-dont-know-what-we-are-talking-...

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#5
True believers are also true non-believers. Thus, if you truly believe in the Hindu gods, you can't also believe in the Christian or Muslim god.

It then becomes a matter of which set of beliefs you espouse, and why. The 'why' is usually due to imprinting, in that your beliefs are the ones you were first introduced to by your family, or close familiarity.

This also means there's is very little difference between (say) a devout Christian and a committed Atheist, because the Atheist disbelieves in just one more god than the devout Christian disbelieves in.

(To explain, assume there are 453 possible known deities: the Christian does not believe in 452 of those, while the Atheist does not believe in 453 of those.)

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#6
Muslim here. I'm open to being convinced. In fact, if you want to convince me, my inbox is open. I think it is possibly the most important question to decide on, so I'd appreciate honest discussion. Most online discussions are rarely civil because they're a little dishonest.

IMO, there is always going to be lack of evidence for or against. Agnosticism is logical, but I would rather just pick something and experiment with it. There's a theological/philosophical aspect of belief. But in the end, there will always be too little evidence and we have to pick something.

Theological reasoning:

1. First, it's not a problem we can solve. We're too busy living our lives, working 40 hours a day. Tech and society in the last 3000 years hasn't helped us with the problem at all. It's almost certain that someone in the past has figured it out, with all the nobles spending their time on something. It's possible some knowledge was destroyed, but for the most part, it's best to work with existing frameworks.

2. Religions are at their best as soon as they become popular. After a few generations, they become corrupted as they're an easy way to seize power. So be wary of anything that wasn't part of the original teachings.

3. I think a God is inevitable. You have all these planets out there, some billions of years older than ours. Even if a God didn't create the universe, it's likely that one life form has spawned a godlike entity, at least compared to ours.

4. I don't believe that God is infinitely omnipotent or omnipowerful. But relatively so. As in God might be able to destroy Earth in seconds, but that doesn't necessarily mean he can teleport or possess people.

5. Multiple gods are unlikely, because they'd be conflicted if ruling the same space. If there are other gods, they might be governing other planets or universes. But it doesn't matter. In the case of humans, it's likely that there is one God governing us.

6. If God doesn't care about us, then there is no purpose to this exercise. Earth would be accidental, like an old can of soup which bacteria somehow developed from, and we would be the bacteria. If God doesn't care, then there will never be enough evidence to work from and this could well be the case.

7. But the Abrahamic God really seems to care.

8. If God cared, he would at least let us know before destroying us for being infidels. Hence the Prophets - Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, etc.

9. Muhammad was also an outstanding individual, very brilliant and lucky. He's either a genius or divinely guided. Not a lot of people go from being an outcast in his 50s to building an empire that conquers Byzantine Rome and the Persians.

Practical reasoning:

1. Pascal's Wager.

2. A variation of Pascal's Wager: I can't see a situation where I'd be happier in life, as an atheist. The Buddhism approach of "life is suffering/impermanent" seems to be the logical outlook. A life as an atheist would mean living in constant existential crisis. I donate, without anyone seeing my donations, because I feel God would reward me for it. Maybe God doesn't actually care, but it makes my life pleasant to think he does. Religion acts as a placebo. Why would I want to remove a placebo if it works?

3. The Prophet Muhammad and his companions were great role models. People seem to point out his marriage life as a negative, but the other 99% of his life were great. Very honest, friendly, forgave enemies, very down to earth despite their power. If Muhammad says believe in Allah, then I'd do so.

4. I think life has to be anchored on to something. Should I take Job A or Job B? Which brings me closer to God? Is Job A more sinful? Sinful isn't just sex, drugs and murder. It can be subtle things like usury, which is profitable, and very well respected.

5. If God cares that we believe, then we should be fine asking for things. God has near unlimited resources; we could basically ask for anything without annoying him, and the act of prayer is also an act of worship because it demonstrates our faith.

6. Completely anecdotal, but Allah answers my prayers. I pray for money, I receive quite a lot of money. I pray to meet people for guidance, I get to meet people who give guidance. I pray for parking, a parking spot opens up. I pray for a banana in the desert, someone gives me a banana the next morning.

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#7
post #6

Muslim here. I'm open to being convinced. In fact, if you want to convince me, my inbox is open. I think it is possibly the most important question to decide on, so I'd appreciate honest discussion. Most online discussions are rarely civil because they're a little dishonest. IMO, there is always going to be lack of evidence for or against. Agnosticism is logical, but I would rather just pick something and experiment…

What if existence (and "Nature"/etc 's creations as a subset thereof) embodied the negation of Pascal's wager?

edit:

There's a theory in informational physics that a single bit of information can never be destroyed (the "minus-1-th law of thermodynamics").

What if we, as conscious beings, although we were the wisest and smartest and most intelligent and most cogent animals.. barely were able to recognize less than a 1/googleplex'th worth of the information that occurs around us, all the time?

Then what determines whether or not a person succeeds, or is good at making decisions? Basically, whether or not they are good at intersubjective correlation, rather than objective correlation with our environment. This is just to say, if Allah answers your prayers, perhaps is it really you recognizing what it is that others would permit you to use from them with little complaint but to great advantage to you (, inshallah,) ? This would also permit, in some way or another (I imagine), for us to be little more than a self-reflecting (however illusory) random fluctuation of perfect initial conditions.

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#8
Your religion/faith/worldview has not to be correct, until it works for you.

A lot of people believe the world was created by God and he placed the fossils into the ground to test our faith. Are they right? It doesn't matter much until it works for them.

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#9
I think my strongest belief is that we can never ever have any objective evidence on whether or not God exists. I'm deeply suspicious of any attempt to prove or disprove the existence of God.

I do belief God exists and created this universe, and as creator of this universe, God is not subject to its laws, and therefore falls completely outside the purview of science. This universe exists entirely because God wants it to, and God[0] could interfere with this universe at any time without leaving a trace, but clearly created a universe that is internally consistent[1].

Due to not being subject to this universe, God must by necessity also exist outside our concept of time (which is part of the universe according to Einstein), and therefore presumably causality. This follows logically from the above, but also conveniently solves an ancient dilemma about predestination.

I am Christian. I believe Jesus was some aspect of God that somehow became human, to teach us and to carry our sins. I believe the Bible is for the most part the result of divine revelation, but it has been written down by people, usually in the context of that time, and occasionally been rewritten, hopefully by well-meaning people.

Apart from the first paragraph, I'm not remotely sure of any of this. I'm a fairly agnostic Christian. To claim to know the truth about God would be the height of arrogance and hubris to me. I'm sure I'm wrong about some things, though I believe I'm relatively close on most.

I believe this because it makes sense to me. It explains the existence of the Bible, of Jesus, and of the religion He inspired, but it's strongly tempered by my understanding of science.

[0] I'm reluctant to call God "he" here, because it would suggest I believe God has gender, which I consider an silly idea. I do normally call him "he" though. Mostly out of habit.

[1] Except maybe in Quantum Mechanics, and possibly Inflation, because the former feels like a hack where we almost caught God in an inconsistency, and the latter feels like a cheat to get the universe he wanted.

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#10
> Nearly everyone in this world holds to some central and defining philosopy or faith or religion that shapes the meaning of life for them.

Is that a fact? Seems like a false assumption to me. Unless you just mean whatever deeper beliefs everyone has, whether aware of it or not, but it seems you're making a stronger claim. For example, I'm in Australia, and I'd say 95% at least of the people I've met in my life aren't among this "nearly everyone".

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