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Scala Native with Denys Shabalin – Software Engineering Daily Podcast

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Post by lihaoyi » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 1:22 AM UTC

Scala Native with Denys Shabalin – Software Engineering Daily Podcast
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Post by binarynate » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 1:28 AM UTC

I wasn't familiar with Scala prior to listening to this episode, so I enjoyed that it provided both a background on the traditional, JVM-based Scala, as well as the new Scala Native project, which I'm more inclined to use.

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Post by thinkingkong » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 1:40 AM UTC

Im actually quite interested in why teams choose to use Scala if youre not fitting it into an existing JVM shop.

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Post by groceryheist » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 1:54 AM UTC

Any reason to use Scala native when Rust exists?

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Post by pacala » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 2:10 AM UTC

groceryheist wrote: post #4

Any reason to use Scala native when Rust exists?

Garbage collection.

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Post by nerdponx » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 2:29 AM UTC

Why would you compile Scala natively itself instead of compiling JVM bytecode?

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Post by whateveracct » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 2:32 AM UTC

thinkingkong wrote: post #3

Im actually quite interested in why teams choose to use Scala if youre not fitting it into an existing JVM shop.

The only competing production-capable languages are Haskell, OCaml, and maybe F#

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Post by densh » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 2:32 AM UTC

groceryheist wrote: post #4

Any reason to use Scala native when Rust exists?

You can think of Scala Native as Go on steroids. We don’t try to compete with Rust at all.

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Post by densh » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 2:33 AM UTC

nerdponx wrote: post #6

Why would you compile Scala natively itself instead of compiling JVM bytecode?

JVM startup is really painful for short to medium time running apps, this is the niche we’re trying to address.

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Post by nerdponx » Thu, Oct 19, 2017, 2:38 AM UTC

densh wrote: post #9

nerdponx wrote: post #6

Why would you compile Scala natively itself instead of compiling JVM bytecode?

JVM startup is really painful for short to medium time running apps, this is the niche we’re trying to address.

I meant, "compile bytecode to machine code." The fact that nobody does it is a sign that it's not a good idea. I guess I was just wondering why.