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The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

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Re: The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

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I've decided that any study presented by the media is the result of hype/marketing by a company with a bias. Year after year I've seen a constant flow of "health news" that eventually turns out to be marginally true or outright false. Here's another one. No, chocolate is not health food. I suspect coffee is the next one to fall. Most reporters aren't knowledgeable enough to distinguish between hype and true breakthro…

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Re: The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

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If only there were some sort of organization that was not driven by profit and had the ability to allocate the entire society's resources toward the common good. And incidentally I'd say a big part of the problem is that the research is totally misleading.

Any organization that has come close to "the ability to allocate the entire society's resources toward the common good" have created societies of great suffering and desperation so far. Maybe some super-intelligent computer system could do better?

That's just a more efficient way to propagate the preferences of whoever gets to control the computer system.

Re: The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

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I think the whole point of this conversation is that it shouldn't be different psychologically. People are responsible for the consequences of their actions.

Well, I don't agree, because we live in a society where your options are to work or starve. Essentially no matter what you do you're complicit in something. Your computer and phone probably have some conflict resources in them, it is very likely that sweatshops or even unfree labor was used at some point in the supply chain for your clothes, produce is picked in appalling conditions, etc.

Fair enough. I am actually somewhat with you on that. So defund other gov spending to fund BI. Transfer payments alone are already getting close to 10k/US citizen, so it's not like we don't have the money to do it.

Re: The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

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I don’t know how you came to this conclusion, but Lindt is not an entry-level (whatever that means) chocolate brand in my book. What would you suggest is better?

Lindt is entry-level because it is cheap. I actually prefer Lindt to many higher-end brands. There are certainly better chocolate bars, but the price difference is often hard to justify.

Yeah they are king of the 90% price point and seem to use it as an anchor for uniform pricing on their whole bar range in Switzerland.

I think that gives the perception and benefits of being high end to the high volume but lower blends, but means the over 90s seem a bit too poor. But I'm not really sure how the botique 95% blends are and I'm glad lindt's aren't up to the challenge. It is hard enough to travel with a 90% addiction.

Re: The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

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Someone has to do the research and "Big" whatever seems to be the ones with the money to do so. So, what should we expect from them? They are going to look for research that is compelling to their business model, but as long as it's not wholly misleading, why is it bad? All research should be taken with a grain of salt. I also have another question: Everyone in media is always looking for that story to break about "B…

but what's the alternative? I doubt that mom and pop have the cash to do research. And I sure as hell won't trust any mom and pop research about pharmacology.

You basically just answered your own question. You hate it when Big (Whatever) does the research, but you are actually more distrusting of a small operation.

I have spent a lot of years getting myself healthier. I have gone through something like 5 iterations of a health blog to try to talk about that and share information completely for free with people who desperately need a better answer than society is giving them currently.

I kept redoing the blog in part because it was such a total and complete shit show. I got all kinds of open hatred from people for trying to say "X, y and z were helpful for me. I think thus and such is why. Here is supporting research I found that fits with my experience." and making that information available absolutely for free.

I don't know an answer for you. But maybe think about how you are part of the problem here. Ask yourself: What would it take for you to trust a small operation? You are simply dismissing them out of hand. What if a small operation could be useful? What would they need to do to be useful and get taken seriously?

Re: The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

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> “Dark chocolate probably has some beneficial properties to it,” said Salt Sugar Fat author Michael Moss, “but generally you have to eat so much of it to get any benefit that it’s kind of daunting, or something else in the product counteracts the benefits. In the case of chocolate, it’s probably going to be sugar.” Interestingly, the chart just below this quotation shows that it takes ~70 calories of straight cocoa…

Not really a dark chocolate connoisseur, but your post got me wondering. Hershey's Special Dark (which a lot of people are probably familiar with and is way better than regular Hershey's milk chocolate) is 45%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hershey%27s_Special_Dark Can't imagine 80%, but it's easy to get on Amazon. Thanks for the extra weight.

The first 100% cocoa bar I've had that was actually pretty good was: Montezuma Absolute Dark Chocolate Black from the UK. I found it once at my Trader Joe's and sadly haven't seen it since. Seriously tempted to order a supply from abroad despite the high shipping cost.

Re: The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

#88

I've decided that any study presented by the media is the result of hype/marketing by a company with a bias. Year after year I've seen a constant flow of "health news" that eventually turns out to be marginally true or outright false. Here's another one. No, chocolate is not health food. I suspect coffee is the next one to fall. Most reporters aren't knowledgeable enough to distinguish between hype and true breakthro…

If anyone doubts that massive amounts of money have gone to a few (now extremely wealthy) legal drug dealers.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12775932/sackler-famil...

Re: The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

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Louis Pasteur and Pierre & Marie Curie fit the description of "mom and pop research", as compared to today's labs, yet their findings are still valid.

That level is still somewhat prohibitive for a lot of folks. Schooling alone can cost quite a bit, and without this a lot of places won't take you seriously regardless of your self-study. This aspect alone makes the person unable to reach Pasteur or Curie's "mom and pop research" level. Not to mention supplies. I worked as a lab assistant for a dude studying the effects of zebra mussels in closed freshwater lake syst…

Marie Curie died of acute radiation poisoning, so I guess it's just a matter of how little you're worried about the effects of what you're working with. :)

Re: The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to show cocoa is good

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Not really a dark chocolate connoisseur, but your post got me wondering. Hershey's Special Dark (which a lot of people are probably familiar with and is way better than regular Hershey's milk chocolate) is 45%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hershey%27s_Special_Dark Can't imagine 80%, but it's easy to get on Amazon. Thanks for the extra weight.

The first 100% cocoa bar I've had that was actually pretty good was: Montezuma Absolute Dark Chocolate Black from the UK. I found it once at my Trader Joe's and sadly haven't seen it since. Seriously tempted to order a supply from abroad despite the high shipping cost.

For a short while, we had some of those bars on sale at our local Trader Joe’s grocery store in Brooklyn, New York. They were pretty good.

I have a friend that runs a coffee shop, where he also makes chocolate. The 100% chocolate he made was really, really good.

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