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Introducing Surface Book 2

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Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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> You won’t believe how much the colors and 3D images will pop in PowerPoint on these machines. That sounds like a horrible way to convince me I want this.

What? Thinking about default theme PowerPoint presentations doesn't get you salivating at the screen?

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Because half of it is actually a tablet with touch functionality. Windows prompts a touch keyboard and has other features, but the experience is really poor generally speaking.

But it isn't a mobile device. A mobile device (Android or iOS) is just a one slice user experience. Also the pen isn't for gui interface, but it is for doing creative art.

> But it isn't a mobile device

We can argue semantics if you wish, but the truth is the Surface line is being sold as 2 in 1 devices that wants to combine a tablet and a laptop.

> Also the pen isn't for gui interface, but it is for doing creative art.

Same thing on the iPad Pro or a Wacom MobileStudio which have much better stili than the Surface line.

What is your point?

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for some reaon Chinese spyware tastes appaling

(1) Superfish isn't a Chinese company -- it was founded in Tel Aviv and moved to Palo Alto; (2) Superfish wasn't installed on ThinkPads; (3) it wasn't on Lenovo laptops for long: they uninstalled it and apologised.

You sure they weren't referring to Lenovo Service Engine or Lenovo Accelerator? Sure, they may not have installed these things on all of their laptops, but they've been caught quite a few times recently and it seems like a bad trend. The UEFI stuff that installs on a vanilla Windows install is super sketchy.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Looks like a proper MacBook Pro replacement HW wise, but the OS is not one I would use for work.. =/ So attached to OSX for the past 6 years and cannot see me using a windows OS for work , but at home only for gaming. The new MacBook Pro has many flaws. Not sure how this compares in real use for it?

I used Microsoft OS from MS-Dos v3.3 right up until they launched Vista. I have to go back every now and again for work, and it is still horrible for me. The current work machine I have requires a reboot sometimes 3 times a day for updates. Surely this can not be the norm?

Anyway, I agree with you. I have a pro at work, but recently got a plain macbook, and it is awesome. Great for even iPhone dev work.

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Looks like a proper MacBook Pro replacement HW wise, but the OS is not one I would use for work.. =/ So attached to OSX for the past 6 years and cannot see me using a windows OS for work , but at home only for gaming. The new MacBook Pro has many flaws. Not sure how this compares in real use for it?

I tried to switch to Windows for work (for gaming it's the obvious choice) but I just couldn't. Windows 10 is IMO the best Windows ever, but I was surprised that the ecosystem was really poor compared to macOS. Most of the software you find online are outdated win32 apps with scaling problems. Even modern software from major companies still has scaling problems such as Adobe CC or even the mighty Photoshop. I also di…

For me it feels like you want to tweak Windows to be a clone of your OSX setup. Hint: it will never happen, same way you cant ever make OSX really like Windows. For example I could never find a good replacement for Paint.NET on OSX.

I dunno why people say that one or the other is superior for work (except if you work with some special software that exists only for one OS). Both of them are equally good, since everything is moving to the cloud, for most non-specialized tasks you need one app - a browser. If you look at other fields like programming, graphics work, 3D,.. they are the same again (except for special cases like C# or Swift development).

And things like iStatMenus is not something that is used for work, its a widget that you like. Perhaps you simply like the look and feel of OSX more?

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I use a single TB3 port to connect two 4K displays, 100W power and all USB devices all through a single cable

And Surface Book 2 will do that just fine. (You're almost certainly not using Thunderbolt but plethora if USB-C alternate modes)

A USB-C port will just barely power a 4K display at 60hz on its own. There's no way to get two 4k displays, USB, and power delivery without the bandwidth of Thunderbolt 3

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No, I've been to the Microsoft store and tested out all their new devices. None are on par with even Wacom's Intuos offerings. The Surface Studio seemed especially bad. I'm sure their digitizers work great for the average user, but Wacoms are primarily devices for pros. None of the Surface stuff is at that "level," unless you're comparing them to other (IMO bad) PC integrations.

Some pros tend to disagree with that assessment https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/10/26/the-surfac...

Of course. But Microsoft also gives that guy free stuff to essentially do PR for them, so there’s that to consider.

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I’ve had an XPS 15 for about a year and I love it. Not least because it supports 2 4K monitors (60fps over USB-C, 30FPS over HDMI), but is also a solid laptop in its own right. Also, the model I have has 32GB of RAM. The only downside is the battery life, I get about 2 hours.

It's worth noting the Dell Precision 5520, which uses the same chassis as the XPS 15. It comes in a few different configurations that aren't available in the XPS. Mine is the last-gen 5510 (same chassis but with an i7-6820HQ), and I was able to get a 1080p screen (for battery life and to avoid scaling issues) and 32gb of RAM only in the Precision, not the XPS.

I never considered the Precision line. I just saw that I can customize pretty much everything about it - cool! I'm considering getting it. How is it in your experience? Are there any bios or driver issues? Did you try installing linux? (I have twitter link in my profile for DM)

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I was a Linux diehard for years but I'm very happy with my Surface Book. With "Ubuntu on Windows" you can run the usual unix command line tools; if anything it's more comfortable than OSX since you get up-to-date GNU versions rather than older GNU tools.

> if anything it's more comfortable than OSX since you get up-to-date GNU versions rather than older GNU tools. 1. By and large, OSX ships the BSD userland not GNU 2. You can trivially add up-to-date GNU tools to OSX: install homebrew, install whichever GNU stuff you want

Yes, sorry, "Older BSD tools" is what I meant to type.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Looking at the specs, (linked in another comment), it appears that the USB-C port doesn't support Thunderbolt 3. Seriously, Microsoft, you can't charge this much for a laptop without TB3. I know that TB started as an Apple standard, but you're not killing this port like you did with Firewire. Your case of NIMBY has cost you my sale. I'll wait and get the next premium Lenovo/HP/ASUS/etc Ultrabook with 8th gen i7 AND T…

Thunderbolt is and has always been an Intel standard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

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