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Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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Most of the responsibility, minus the technical interview, seems like it could be done by an AI sometime in the future anyway. No more complaints afterwards!

I found Google's dev interview to be especially difficult, I personally hate doing hours of whiteboard coding (sorry, I tend to code on computers instead, silly me) ... So I wasn't hired, but those who worked as devs there told me that's a blessing because after all the rigorous interviewing bluster they'll assign devs to remedial code refactoring anyway. I'm not a rockstar coder above doing the housekeeping work but…

FWIW, interns on the team I interned on had the chance to work on experimental, new features that required little to no refactoring. Maintaining existing code was done by developers who knew the code well and were capable of making measured engineering decisions.

Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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While the job doesn't sound like it involves "cool things that matter" and paints a pretty believable picture of working at a large corporation, I do find it interesting that this was published by thr Washington Post. Being owned by Amazon, a direct competitor to Google on many fronts (the war for cloud computing market share is/will continue to be huge), it seems suspicious that this is truly unbiased coverage. It s…

To be clear, Washington Post is not owned by Amazon. It's owned by Jeff Bezos. To accuse one of the nation's most respected papers of sacrificing its 139 year reputation over an opinion piece about working in Google HR is kind of farcical.

Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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It's disturbing to me how many people here seem to be okay with executives and higher-ups expressing grief over the results of an election, in the office. I don't think that stuff has any place at work. It's a red-flag to me if that kind of thing is commonplace in the office. Not only is it distracting, but it's insulting to employees who may have an opposite position politically. If you're emotionally affected by so…

That's really something that surprised me a lot after moving to the US. In my culture, politics is very much like religion, it is unthinkable to talk about it openly in a place of work.

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Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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18 months is a lot different than 6 months. You can’t even ramp up fully on a codebase in 6 months, arguably.

Having worked at over a dozen places in my career, I've never encountered a code base that takes longer than three months to master let alone ramp up on. This includes shitty code, overly complex code, and well written code. I'd say the challenge is staying interested and challenged after three months.

You've said shitty and complex code...how about voluminous code, or old code? The main product that I work on has about 2 million lines of C, C++, and Java code in the core of the system, then about 20 plugins ranging in size from a few thousand lines to a few hundred thousand lines.

We basically hire for sections of the codebase. It's pretty common for developers to discover the existence of an area of code that they haven't had to touch before and were unaware of the existence of even years after starting to work here.

Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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>But yeah, god damn a company for having a culture where people don't go around acting like jerks towards one another. God forbid we grow out of Kindergarten and get back to the real world where people are unhappy and take out their frustrations by raking their coworkers verbally over the coals. The idea that as long as you aren't yelling, swearing, or actively insulting someone you are not treating them poorly is on…

> I'm not talking James Damore "I'm just expressing an alternative opinion" low boil misogyny. That kind of thing is unacceptable. Why is his cultural questioning of potential causes for gender disparities bad, yet we're supposed to avoid falling into an echo chamber for other issues? If issues can't be questioned, doesn't that itself form an echo chamber?

>> I'm not talking James Damore "I'm just expressing an alternative opinion" low boil misogyny. That kind of thing is unacceptable.

>Why is his cultural questioning of potential causes for gender disparities bad, yet we're supposed to avoid falling into an echo chamber for other issues? If issues can't be questioned, doesn't that itself form an echo chamber?

Because he's wrong, and not even the sources he himself selected say what he says the say?

https://www.wired.com/story/the-pernicious-science-of-james-...

Allowing someone to express these misogynistic wrong opinions using company resources during company time creates a hostile work environment and opens Google up to liability.

Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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Most of the responsibility, minus the technical interview, seems like it could be done by an AI sometime in the future anyway. No more complaints afterwards!

Actually, I'm wondering if an AI could be better at predicting the success of a given candidate given enough data (resume, online presence, portfolio, DNA sample, etc.) than "traditional" whiteboard interviews (which have a huge false negative problem).

I know someone in just such a startup: https://ideal.com/

They've been at it for a few years, they started with a focus on candidates for sales positions. I don't know if it's generalised or not.

Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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post #62

While the job doesn't sound like it involves "cool things that matter" and paints a pretty believable picture of working at a large corporation, I do find it interesting that this was published by thr Washington Post. Being owned by Amazon, a direct competitor to Google on many fronts (the war for cloud computing market share is/will continue to be huge), it seems suspicious that this is truly unbiased coverage. It s…

To be clear, Washington Post is not owned by Amazon. It's owned by Jeff Bezos. To accuse one of the nation's most respected papers of sacrificing its 139 year reputation over an opinion piece about working in Google HR is kind of farcical.

Thinking that tech money can't destroy a respected hundred year old publication is naive: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/when-si...

Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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Still no need to cry. One day after the election there is no way to tell for sure what will happen.

For those who were paying attention it was pretty clear what was happening...

You might consider a career in policy or finance. Those guys are desperate for people with such knowledge about the future.

Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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For those who were paying attention it was pretty clear what was happening...

You might consider a career in policy or finance. Those guys are desperate for people with such knowledge about the future.

Haha, by pay attention I mean pay attention to what Trump was saying when he was off script at his rallies and such. If you only heard him talk through scripted speeches/prepared debates and soundbites from the media you were getting a very different impression of Trump than how he actually is.

It was pretty clear who we had elected; a narcissistic and selfish dick with no self control who was willing to do anything to make himself look good.

Re: My Google job was tedious and pointless

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Having worked at over a dozen places in my career, I've never encountered a code base that takes longer than three months to master let alone ramp up on. This includes shitty code, overly complex code, and well written code. I'd say the challenge is staying interested and challenged after three months.

You've said shitty and complex code...how about voluminous code, or old code? The main product that I work on has about 2 million lines of C, C++, and Java code in the core of the system, then about 20 plugins ranging in size from a few thousand lines to a few hundred thousand lines. We basically hire for sections of the codebase. It's pretty common for developers to discover the existence of an area of code that the…

Why have everyone know all of 2M lines of code? Programming is about abstraction, knowing what a subsystem does, what it's responsible for should be adequate most of the time until you need to fix something inside it.

We aren't doctors, we just need the skills to figure things out and fix them quickly.

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