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Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by ProAm »

stinky613 wrote: post #45

It's amazing how my gut reactions to Google announcements have changed over the years. Ten years ago: "Google released a new upgrade to X? Sweet! I wonder what cool stuff they added!" Today: "Google released a new upgrade to X? Ugh. I wonder what features/workflows they broke or removed." Am I just a cynical jerk, or do other people feel this way too?

I fully agree with you. When they try to iterate on a basic utility application (ex: email, calendar, reminders, etc..) just because they have a bored developer that is looking to be noticed inside of google they usually make it less useful for people who have been using it successfully for years. Those users are now having to find an alternative to do the same thing. Sometimes it's OK to leave a wrench as a wrench.

Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by IshKebab »

bitsoda wrote: post #77

Seems like they got rid of their intelligent time parsing. In the old Calendar I could type "Walk dog 7p" and it would create a "Walk dog" event at 7pm. Now it just creates an all-day event with the text "Walk dog 7p". Feedback sent.

Maybe try "pm"? "7p" isn't a time.

Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by bzbarsky »

frenchie4111 wrote: post #34
ashark wrote: post #28

If it's as slow and RAM-hungry as newer versions of Gmail I'll be looking for the "basic HTML" equivalent for it ASAP.

Is gmail RAM-hungry due to styling?

Mostly due to JavaScript, though styling can be a problem too; the gmail stylesheets have a huge number of rules (over 10,000), with a fair amount of duplication in them. For example, gmail has about 4600 rules that all set a background-image of "//ssl.gstatic.com/chat/emoji/png28-7f9d3a5045813584f828fe69a1fecb77.png" according to " rel="nofollow">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1397971#c0>. You can see some data on the styling end in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1392314 and its dependencies.

Anyway, I just tried loading gmail in Firefox, pulling up about:memory, and measuring. The overall gmail window takes about 125MB of RAM over here, not counting its images. Style data is about 27MB of that. Another 11.5MB is DOM (6MB of textnodes). Most of the rest is JavaScript.

And _boy_ is there a lot of JavaScript. I'm seeing a 15MB arraybuffer from a hangouts iframe (why is that there by default on gmail? I've never used hangouts!). 2MB of just Function objects on gmail itself, out of 10MB total for JS bits. 8MB of objects/functions/arrays for _another_ hangouts iframe. 4MB of JS stuff for a notifications.google.com iframe.

Note that a lot of the style and DOM bits above were _also_ for the hangouts iframes. Just eyeballing it, about half the memory gmail is using over here is actually for those hangouts iframes...

Oh, and none of that includes the strings. There's 10MB of strings, including at least three more or less identical-looking strings with nearly 1 million characters each that look like stylesheet text. And then another 500k-character stylesheet-text string.... And yes, I just forced a full GC and those strings are still there; gmail is keeping them around somehow.

Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by timlin »

easyroot wrote: post #69
theseanstewart wrote: post #61

Does anyone know why it's not possible to change the calendar for a given event in the Google Calendar iOS app? You can change the color of an event, but not the actual calendar the event is associated with. It drives me crazy. You have to delete the event and re-create it under the correct calendar.

This is the same on the native Android app. No way to change a calendar for an event once added - have to pop over to a browser. Pretty annoying.

Allow me to recommend aCalendar+. All the features you need.

Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by bitsoda »

IshKebab wrote: post #82
bitsoda wrote: post #77

Seems like they got rid of their intelligent time parsing. In the old Calendar I could type "Walk dog 7p" and it would create a "Walk dog" event at 7pm. Now it just creates an all-day event with the text "Walk dog 7p". Feedback sent.

Maybe try "pm"? "7p" isn't a time.

7p is just shorthand. Either way, it doesn't work for 7p or 7pm whereas it used to for either format.

Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by area51 »

stinky613 wrote: post #75
euyyn wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm biased here, but after Inbox, and after the mobile Calendar apps being upgraded, I was super excited about the web Calendar upgrade. I love it.

I like Inbox, and I use it...but have you noticed that, stunningly, you can search for things in Inbox and get zero results and then take that same search into _gmail_ and get results?? (Unfortunately, no, I don't have an example I can demonstrate extemporaneously)

This happens to me _everytime_. So frustrating. Is it possible that inbox only searches the literal "inbox" whereas Gmail searches your entire mailbox?

Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by stinky613 »

kyrra wrote: post #76
stinky613 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Inbox, and I use it...but have you noticed that, stunningly, you can search for things in Inbox and get zero results and then take that same search into _gmail_ and get results?? (Unfortunately, no, I don't have an example I can demonstrate extemporaneously)

Search for emails should be the same between the 2. But I believe Gmail will search other things (like Hangouts chats and maybe other products), while Inbox's search just does email.

Maybe the search is less different than I think it is.

But there are other things... like, am I wrong, or can you still not Mark As Unread in Inbox? Last I checked, you couldn't mark as unread, and if you tried to find out how you'd run into zealots who tell you that your use-case is wrong and that you're using Inbox wrong. So, okay, say I accept that premise; say I accept that there are some things that are just 'the Inbox way' and others are 'the gmail way'.

With the click of a button, Gmail lets you save all attachments to Google Drive or download all attachments as a zip--why in the world wouldn't they include that with Inbox?

Gmail lets you click an icon in the search bar to reveal advanced search options; if you need to search for something that has an attachment in Inbox you need to either A) google how to do it or B) try to remember "now was it has:attachment? or has-attachment:true? has-attachment:yes?". Is it really so distracting having that little down-arrow icon in the search bar?

Also, testing just now I found that the pagination in gmail would let me browse through hundreds of search results going back to 2012 whereas the Inbox endless-page stopped loading additional results by the time I got to email from 2014.

Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by unwind »

stinky613 wrote: post #70
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Today: "Google released a new upgrade to X? Ugh. I wonder what features/workflows they broke or removed." I think that's inevitable with any product with a bit of history that's accreted features. Microsoft Office? Windows? iPhone? Thinkpad?...

Excel 2016 integrated PowerQuery features and improved upon the data model tools. Going back further, Excel v1 thru v7 was limited to 2^14 rows (16,384); v8 (10yrs after v1) thru v11 upped that to 2^16 rows (65,536); v12 (20yrs after v1) thru current can handle 2^20 rows (1,048,576). Windows 10 is faster and more secure than any consumer version of Windows ever released; PowerShell (slow to start up and verbose, thou…

2^14 is not 65536, it's just 16384.

Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by mythmon_ »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #55
datguacdoh wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Work at Google but not remotely on calendar, and this is exactly what we do with most public, bookable resources. We have PA systems, massage chairs, rooms, etc. all in calendar.

I was not aware of this feature. How long has it been included?

I first used it a couple years ago. I think it is only for GSuite accounts though. I have it on my work calendar, but not my personal one.

Re: The new Google Calendar for web

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Post by kbenson »

stinky613 wrote: post #75
euyyn wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm biased here, but after Inbox, and after the mobile Calendar apps being upgraded, I was super excited about the web Calendar upgrade. I love it.

I like Inbox, and I use it...but have you noticed that, stunningly, you can search for things in Inbox and get zero results and then take that same search into _gmail_ and get results?? (Unfortunately, no, I don't have an example I can demonstrate extemporaneously)

Inbox doesn't search hangouts conversations, which is a huge annoyance for me. You can load gmail and search and get those results, so it's annoying that you can't get it in Inbox. Other than that, I really prefer Inbox.
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