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Introducing Surface Book 2

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Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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seanalltogether wrote: post #158
pier25 wrote: post #73

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I tried to switch to Windows for work (for gaming it's the obvious choice) but I just couldn't. Windows 10 is IMO the best Windows ever, but I was surprised that the ecosystem was really poor compared to macOS. Most of the software you find online are outdated win32 apps with scaling problems. Even modern software from major companies still has scaling problems such as Adobe CC or even the mighty Photoshop. I also di…

Oddly enough I think mac and windows switched professional users somehow. I don't know a single developer on a windows machine, however most people I know working in 3d, digital illustration or video work all use windows machines now.

> I don't know a single developer on a windows machine

There's also a fair amount of peer pressure.

I was at a big software company and I choose a Lenovo with Windows instead of a Mac. I was the only one, and the other members of the team constantly tried to get me to switch, and trolled me, as if they were embarrassed with me. Now I'm at another big company, where Windows is more prevalent (legacy), but team members are still shocked that I chose again a Lenovo with Windows and Ubuntu VM on top.

If you were to interview to a startup and the founder coded on a Windows, what would most devs feel about it?

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by dpark »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #249
glhaynes wrote: post #214

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Does the iPad Pro work similarly to either of those?

The iPad Pro is better than the Surface in terms of the digitizer, but not as good as Wacom.

I have a Thinkpad Yoga with a Wacom digitizer. I am distinctly unimpressed.

Disclosure: Microsoft employee, so arguably biased toward the Surface.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by Crespyl »

olyjohn wrote: post #390
jozzz wrote: post #186

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Is this for software development (assuming yes since we're on HN)? I'm currently in the process of making this choice. Looking at Lenovo T470p/Dell XPS 13/15. If I'm doing linux development is it worth even thinking about the surface laptop?

If you're doing work on Linux, get a laptop that is supported with Linux on it. The first sign of problems on your Surface, you'll have to nuke it, put Windows on it, see if it's still broken, reproduce the issue on Windows, then take it into a store. Dell sells Linux certified models, the XPSs even. Maybe it's called the "Developer Edition" or something. You can always go with System 76 or Librem or something along…

You can get the "Developer" editions with Linux pre-installed, though when I looked I couldn't find a version with more than 8GB of RAM.

The Windows ones have more RAM and essentially the same hardware, I got a 16GB version and put Linux on it myself, all the drivers were the same and everything works perfectly. (The only caveat was a UEFI setting related to hard drive configuration and Windows Fast Boot, I forget the details but it wasn't too hard to fix.)

Really happy with it overall.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by rbanffy »

singularity2001 wrote: post #181
dm319 wrote: post #163

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Maybe treat yourself to the Thinkpad X1 Yoga gen 2?

for some reaon Chinese spyware tastes appaling

If you install a decent OS replacing the one it comes with, there won't be any malware (at leat not the kind we knew about)

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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baldfat wrote: post #336
millstone wrote: post #137

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You can use the Magic Mouse or Magic Trackpad. Not sure what you mean by "last of decent short cuts," OS X is pretty keyboard friendly. Maybe just unfamiliarity?

I've search they are not there (Oh there are TWO different shortcuts based on your keyboard??????)) http://www.noproblemmac.com/blog/2015/05/21/how-to-always-ge... Go to Desktop (This is stupid it is Fn + F11 OR Command F3 based on what keyboard you have) Also Win - D makes a lot more sense! It is a default motion on a track pad. File Manager - Windows (Win - E) Mac OS NOTHING I have never seen why Mac OS gets a pass…

That damn Windows key drives me nuts - press it accidentally during a game and it kicks you out!

Anyways my usual way of going to the desktop is to just command-tab to Finder, and then command N to create a new Finder window, or any of the shortcuts in the Go menu.

Nobody is claiming that the Mac UI is perfect, but it's been way more stable and unified than Windows. Of course there was Windows 8, but even Windows 10 still has things like both the new Settings and old Control Panel, and the old start menu next to the god-awful, ad-ridden Live Tiles. I recently tried to enable automatic login on my Windows 10 laptop and was told to run "netplwiz" in the Run dialog command line. It's a mess.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by kpxxx »

duxup wrote: post #316
markcmyers wrote: post #146

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As a former advertising executive, I can tell you what the problem is here. The writer and his boss who approved the copy aren't addressing the customer, they're addressing the boss's boss. In a dysfunctional organization like Microsoft, communicating up rather than out is how you get promoted. It's a rare Microsoft employee who moves up the ladder by thinking about the customer.

"they're addressing the boss's boss" I wonder about that with truck commercials. I feel like every truck commercial is a sort of "See this is how we want our customers to act!"

The difference is they are demonstrating fantasies or idealizations that much of their customer base have or aspire to themselves. Truck commercials are made that way with a large part of their customer base keenly in mind.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by michaeljchou »

desireco42 wrote: post #216

This is the most beautiful laptop/computer I've seen in a long time, it hits all the right buttons for me: it has great battery life, it comes in 15" and you can detach for tablet mode it has a pen (so I don't have to have ipad pro + laptop) touchscreen is just better, I've seen people use it, and it is better then my macbook air it has nvidia 1060 so I can play games I need to figure out how to work on this, as it h…

Tips for terminal on Windows 10: https://goreliu.github.io/wsl-terminal/

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by baldfat »

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #394
baldfat wrote: post #369

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With the Mac Mouse having a right click? No you buy an official apple mouse you have single click options only. Also the laptops are also single click.

This is incorrect. Both Apple laptops and mice support right-click out of the box. You can configure it from the System Settings -> Mouse / Trackpad.

> right-click out of the box. You can configure it from the System Settings -> Mouse / Trackpad

That's not out of the box :) But an Apple Mouse can not have right click added it physically has one button but it does it in software and it doesn't work or it button bounces whenever I have tried.

95% of all Mac I have ever seen or used have Official Mice.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by khedoros1 »

lambda_lover wrote: post #359
masklinn wrote: post #245

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There's a photo of the keyboard on the "innovation" page linked from the Tech Specs one: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-book...

This page not only shows a perpetual loading icon and an un-dismissable cookie notification on my phone, it also traps me on the page and requires not one, not two, but three presses of the back button (quickly, before it notices!) for me to escape the page on both mobile and desktop. This does not exactly inspire faith in the product.

https://c.s-microsoft.com/en-us/CMSImages/Surface_Z_Innovati...

Does that link work for you? It's the best image of the keyboard on that page.

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