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Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by mrhappyunhappy » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:29 PM UTC

Distant_horizon wrote: post #108

mrhappyunhappy wrote: post #97

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What was your sleeping position and what firmness of the mattress?

I sleep on my side. There's no firmness option. The foam arrives in the typical "I'm a mattress box" and expands. Worth noting that some claim it gets softer after a few weeks.

Ah. It’s quite possible it was too soft and yes foam does get softer over time. There are some firmness levels between some brands of foam mattresses where they use different combinations of different types of foams that give a firmer feel but most box foam junk comes in a medium-soft variety to appeal to the broad market.

Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by Fezzik » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:37 PM UTC

mi100hael wrote: post #107

I've found Ikea to be a great place to buy a mattress. No shady sales tactics or aggressive salesmen, several models you can physically try out in the store, and good quality/value.

Seconded. Their latex mattresses are amazing if you are looking for a firm mattress, and priced significantly cheaper than anything else on the market. I have owned two over the last 14 years and both have been amazing: assisted in easing back pain and making my sleep more restful.

Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by Retric » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:39 PM UTC

msla wrote: post #99

rypskar wrote: post #70

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The whole jewelry diamond market is shady and should be boycotted. It is a shame that many still fall for the marketing and think diamonds are rare

The fact diamonds can't be tracked means they're all, effectively, blood diamonds, given that everyone in the chain has a huge incentive for people to believe they're not and absolutely nobody has any incentive to tell the truth about them if they are. Lying about whether a diamonds is a blood diamond is the only move which makes sense, so everyone must assume every diamond is a blood diamond, as it is impossible to…

Owners of non conflict diamonds have an incentive to demonstrate otherwise.

However, the massive diamond glut means DeBeers has an incentive to buy up conflict diamond using proceeds from regular diamond sales. Which arguably makes all natural diamonds blood diamonds more directly.

Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by zebnyc » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:41 PM UTC

saimiam wrote: post #111

graeme wrote: post #106

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That’s blackmail. Making a legal threat and making a legal money request combine into an illegal act.

What law says I can’t give you an incentive to stop badmouthing me? According to this link, defamation - written (libelous) or verbal (derogatory) - is a civil matter and not a crime. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-...

Since you are arguing the difference between bribery & extortion: "Extortion could occur between two businessmen and still be a criminal offense, whereas bribery is primarily focused on the bribing of Government employees or bribing by Government employees. But the most important difference is the difference between a threat to do harm in extortion and an offer to do good in bribery."

https://criminal.laws.com/bribery/bribery-versus-extortion

Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by scott_karana » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:45 PM UTC

graeme wrote: post #106

whamlastxmas wrote: post #81

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More accurately, he's accepting bribes to silence his freedom of speech. He's entirely in his right to have negative reviews as long as they're truthful.

That’s blackmail. Making a legal threat and making a legal money request combine into an illegal act.

What's the legal threat, if his estimates of the BOM are truthful?

Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by gamblor956 » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:46 PM UTC

saimiam wrote: post #111

graeme wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s blackmail. Making a legal threat and making a legal money request combine into an illegal act.

What law says I can’t give you an incentive to stop badmouthing me? According to this link, defamation - written (libelous) or verbal (derogatory) - is a civil matter and not a crime. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-...

See this page[1] for a detailed explanation, which explains that under most extortion laws, the threatened act may be perfectly legal (like leaking photos of someone in a compromised position). It becomes illegal if the threatened act would "harm" the victim and you demand money in exchange for not doing it. (Legally, harm has a very broad scope, and can include loss of reputation.)

[edit] Note that what this YTer is doing would probably not be extortion under California law as long as his claims are truthful, as he has already posted the videos, and is only demanding money to take them down.

[1] https://www.shouselaw.com/extortion.html

Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by amelius » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:46 PM UTC

mi100hael wrote: post #107

I've found Ikea to be a great place to buy a mattress. No shady sales tactics or aggressive salesmen, several models you can physically try out in the store, and good quality/value.

Except for tall people.

Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by reverend_gonzo » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:51 PM UTC

IgorPartola wrote: post #78

ocfnash wrote: post #73

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Possibly a good time to plug moissanite again: http://diamondssuck.com

Odd. The arguments all make sense, but the prices I am seeing are nowhere near the quoted ones. Have the prices on moissanite jewelry been jacked up since this site was created or something?

There's a wide range of prices. More often than not, you'll end up buying one that is custom made in an American lab, so it might not be exactly cheap, though it is cheaper than an equivalent diamond.

We bought moissanite because I absolutely refuse to support the diamond industry in any way. For what its worth, friends of our who are obsessed with image can't tell the difference.

Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by pcthrowaway » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 3:56 PM UTC

mi100hael wrote: post #107

I've found Ikea to be a great place to buy a mattress. No shady sales tactics or aggressive salesmen, several models you can physically try out in the store, and good quality/value.

I went in there a couple of years ago, and bought a full-sized Sultan Havberg after trying a few out (it looks like they don't sell this anymore, but you can find it in their product catalog - http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/pdf/buying_guides_fy15/Mattress...)

At the time it felt fine, but when it arrived I found it nearly impossible to sleep on. I could feel the springs pressing into me as I inevitably rolled around over them. I guess you get what you pay for.

Fortunately a friend of mine whose girlfriend was moving in was giving away a memory foam mattress topper, which has turned it from one of the worse beds I've owned into the best bed I've owned.

It's really hard to anticipate how a mattress will actually feel when you try to sleep on it, and I recommend not skimping on one.

Re: The war to sell you a mattress

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Post by astura » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 4:00 PM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #36

Now this made me thinking of other online review sites. Are they all like that? I couldn't give an honest review, if I get more money from B than A. So if they state otherwise, I call it fraud And I know that's what people call marketing in general and there might be some truth in it - but that's why you go to these review site to get a neutral view. So normally the customer should pay the reviewer, he is doing work…

Yes.

Review sites, in general, are mostly cash cows and 99% of them should be avoided. There's no incentive to give honest and unbiased reviews.