Introducing Surface Book 2 • Hacker News Board

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by bostand » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:40 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #17

The pricing is brutal.[1] About $100-$300 more than the 15" Macbook Pro with the same amount of storage. The base model is particularly shameful, with only 8GB of RAM. The base MBP is 16GB for $100 less. You can't configure the RAM amount, so $2,900 is the cheapest 15" model with 16GB. [1] Or perhaps it's more that the configuration options are really inflexible, with every configuration having the highest-end CPU an…

But if that is all your care about you can by a generic PC with similar specs for 1/3 of the price of the MBP.

see, that argument goes both ways.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by kanishkdudeja » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:40 PM UTC

I hope they decrease bezels and make it more sexy, like the Dell XPS, in future versions.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by bpicolo » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:41 PM UTC

kanishkdudeja wrote: post #20

TheCoreh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, if you're developer, you'll probably also want an i7 (since a lot of compilation tasks are highly parallel and the extra cores will help a lot)

That's right. But the i7 15-inch line starts from 2500 USD. I think lots of developers won't be able to afford at that price point.

i7 13.5" starts at 1,999. Still pretty crazy that prices are turning the opposite direction lately.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by matthew349hall » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:41 PM UTC

Rhapso wrote: post #19

trothamel wrote: post #12

A bit of headline fail there: "Introducing Surface Book 2, the most powerful Surface Book ever" Out of the two of them so far?

No it is a prophecy: The rest of them will be less powerful.

Haha yes

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by masklinn » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:41 PM UTC

sitkack wrote: post #47

Still stuck with only 16GB of ram, https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-book...

Unsurprisingly, any laptop which cares about battery life will remain limited to 16GB until Intel supports LPDDR4.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by skywhopper » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:41 PM UTC

This is a good example of how Microsoft often does marketing poorly. The text reads like a script for an in-person product launch. On the page it doesn't even make sense "When you think about Microsoft and you hear our mission – to empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more – it’s powerful." What?

And then after all of that, you click through to the store and there's no pricing information whatsoever and no pre-order date on the store page (there is a date buried in all the text in the announcement), just an unfriendly "Not available" broken button... no price, no date, and I don't even remember what was supposed to be interesting about the thing. Something about having more pixels than a Mac. Whatever interest I had in the product evaporated a long time ago, but the lack of concrete info on price makes me forget about it entirely.

Edited to add: Oh cool, I just went back to the page and noticed the "Microsoft Band", a product that was officially discontinued over a year ago, is prominently featured in the navigation bar across the top of the page. Good work, team!

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by bostand » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:42 PM UTC

kanishkdudeja wrote: post #62

I hope they decrease bezels and make it more sexy, like the Dell XPS, in future versions.

Please don't. It's a tablet, it needs some bezels.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by j4kp07 » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:43 PM UTC

jaxondu wrote: post #29

rayiner wrote: post #17

The pricing is brutal.[1] About $100-$300 more than the 15" Macbook Pro with the same amount of storage. The base model is particularly shameful, with only 8GB of RAM. The base MBP is 16GB for $100 less. You can't configure the RAM amount, so $2,900 is the cheapest 15" model with 16GB. [1] Or perhaps it's more that the configuration options are really inflexible, with every configuration having the highest-end CPU an…

With that price you get "twice as powerful as the latest MacBook Pro. ...up to 17 hours of video playback. That’s 70% more than the latest MacBook Pro."

I'll believe those figure on battery life when someone independent confirms it.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by rhexs » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:44 PM UTC

kanishkdudeja wrote: post #28

rhexs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I bought the Surface Book 1 and returned it after a month of it barely working. So no, not really.

What issues did you face?

A better question is, what issues didn't I face? Unlocking randomly wouldn't work, the display driver was crashing when using firefox/chrome consistently, battery life was abysmal, device would bluescreen, etc.

From what I understand they finally patched most of these out after more than a year. No need to go on that roller coaster again.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by igravious » Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 2:44 PM UTC

Jaqua wrote: post #34

pbnjay wrote: post #24

Why do no pics show the USB-A side of the system clearly? It's like they only want to talk about USB-C. Also I can't tell if it does USB-C Power Delivery or not? Or would I still need a separate charger for this? Would be really nice to only carry one charger for phone and laptop...

What phone charges with USB-C? From here: https://www.windowscentral.com/surface-book-2-tech-specs "Microsoft is still using its proprietary Surface Connect for power and the optional Surface Dock." aaah.. at the end: "Users can also recharge the Surface Book 2 with a USB Type-C charger as long as it is powerful enough. Devices can be charged from the Surface Book 2, such as a phone using USB Type-C."

currently different 210 handsets according to the GSM Arena database.

https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chkUSBC=selected