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Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by thecrazyone »

olalonde wrote: post #402
ctoth wrote: post #150

I cannot drive. I take Uber to and from work every day using a Uber pass. If my alternative were public transit, a bus to a train to another bus or train depending, it would take me 1.5 hours per trip, for a total of 3 hours a day. I would not work in the corporate world if this were the case. Does this study capture these positive externalities? For blind people, these often-derided services are the difference betwe…

The honest truth (and this is going to get down voted) is that there are very powerful, vested interests in those services not taking off. In the future, taxis will be looked at as a relic from the past.

Can you expand on this? This seems more like an allegation at this point.

I can only think of taxi unions, politicians and such who would want these services to stay around if not grow.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by ibejoeb »

curun1r wrote: post #319
ibejoeb wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$10 for a drink in Los Angeles is absolutely not out of the ordinary. A $10 cocktail is happy-hour price. A $10 glass of wine is going to be basic stuff. $15 for a good cocktail or wine is the going rate. I also mentioned Atlanta and Houston. Both of those are within 10%. I'm picking these because they are large, urban, car-dependent areas that, at least in my opinion, are more livable with ridesharing than without i…

Ride sharing is of tremendous value in the Bay Area since BART irresponsibly stops service at 12:30am. People living in the East Bay often go into SF to drink, so getting home after bars close is a lot easier now. Of course the somewhat ironic thing for people living in the East Bay is that Oakland's social scene has emerged at roughly the same time as ride sharing, so people don't need to go into SF to drink as much…

Yeah, you're right. I definitely take uber at night in the city.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

DrScump wrote: post #410
Dylan16807 wrote: post #400

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Let me put it differently: Police actions need to be transparent. There are strong reasons to release recordings with police actions in them. But if the recordings are unrelated to any police officers or police actions, then all of that goes away. It's completely fine for police to not release footage of two random people interacting. And that scenario is what is analogous to BART surveillance videos.

two random people interacting That's an odd way to paraphrase the pairing of a felony perpetrator and a felony victim.

It's in the context of the previous comments, "X person robbing Y person". I didn't want to be redundant. No matter what crimes are happening, there are no police involved, so there is no police transparency motive to release the video.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by samstave »

ibejoeb wrote: post #240
bartc wrote: post #205

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Probably more like people wouldn’t go out to a cross-town bar or restaurant if they couldn’t take a taxi or lyft/uber to get there. For example, if mass transit is prohibitive (two buses at 1 am) and they don’t want to drive drunk. Easy access to quick transportation is a general economic benefit for everyone. That’s not support for uber or lyft specifically, but if people can easily get around town, they’re more lik…

Nobody in Los Angeles is ever taking a taxi. The reality, in LA, is that if you're not going via Uber/Lyft, you're driving drunk. Not going is not even on the table. This is FOMO capital of the world.

Define FOMO?

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by detaro »

samstave wrote: post #434
ibejoeb wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody in Los Angeles is ever taking a taxi. The reality, in LA, is that if you're not going via Uber/Lyft, you're driving drunk. Not going is not even on the table. This is FOMO capital of the world.

Define FOMO?

Fear of missing out?

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Post by netsharc »

ekianjo wrote: post #344
netsharc wrote: post #337

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They should've done this study in a European city with great public transport which also has Uber, like Munich or Berlin.

"Great public transport" means what exactly? Even in Japan which is widely recognized as one of the countries with excellent public transport, trains and buses stop at night (and not too late either), so if you are going out, and coming back after midnight it's either your car or a very expensive taxi. Is Munich/Berlin any different?

Munich subways run until about 2 or 3 AM on weekends, with the later ones coming with 20 or 30 minute intervals rather than 10 minutes. After that there are night buses and trams going different directions of the city, that come every half hour. To use myself as an example, before Uber I would wait the 20+ minutes until the night tram came along, or a taxi to my place was 20 Euroes. In the early days of Uber, a ride home was 8 Euroes, so that was bearable, later on it was close to as expensive as taxis, so being frugal, I would just wait for the night tram. But if you go to a friend's place for pre-drinks, and then you go to a club around 11 or midnight, public transport would still work superbly.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by foota »

CydeWeys wrote: post #370
foota wrote: post #301

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Really? But Paris has such fantastic mass transit?

Not really. The trains stop running at an hour well before people stop going out. I was just in Paris in May going out with a bunch of Parisians and we all had to Uber back. They love Uber there -- once the trains stop, that's how you get home.

Interesting, I was there a few months ago and was super impressed, guess I wasn't enough of a night owl :)

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Post by MAGZine »

redditmigrant wrote: post #403
MAGZine wrote: post #243

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I'm unconvinced by your arguments, while I can understand (and agree) with some of the points you're making, I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it. CalTrain is $7.70 from MV to SF[0], not $33/person (or $16.5/person in your original comment). Or, you can get a montly pass for $215. You don't need to wait on trains if you get your schedule down. They're VERY timely in my experience (caltrain). It is true th…

> Especially during heavy commute periods, there are trains every 5-10 minutes. Looking at the schedule. there is no time when there is a train from MV to SF within 5 minutes. The best case is trains at 7:04, 7:11, 7:25 in the morning or 4:36, 4:46, 4:57, 5:05 in the evening. Caltrain is a lot fo good things, one thing its not, is frequent enough for people who work anytime other than 8-4/5.

There are at least 2 trains running southbound service to MV at 6 minute intervals, 10 isn't uncommon either.

206: 6:05am and 208: 6:15am. (10min)

314: 6:59am and 216: 7:05am. (6min)

216: 7:05am and 218: 7:15am (10 min)

and another set of these after 8am. Northbound service does the same thing in the afternoon.

MountainView also has 7:04/7:11 and 8:04/8:11 trains. Unfortunately it trades baby bullet stops with sunnyvale which makes it a bit more difficult.

You are right though, they don't run frequently on evenings and weekends--there is simply not enough evening volume to justify it.

Anyhow, as you can see, there are trains that run a frequency of 5-10 minutes (not If that doesn't work for you, that's another question.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by olalonde »

thecrazyone wrote: post #431
olalonde wrote: post #402

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The honest truth (and this is going to get down voted) is that there are very powerful, vested interests in those services not taking off. In the future, taxis will be looked at as a relic from the past.

Can you expand on this? This seems more like an allegation at this point. I can only think of taxi unions, politicians and such who would want these services to stay around if not grow.

That's all I meant.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by ProAm »

jasonbarone wrote: post #294
ProAm wrote: post #164

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Subsidies here are not for economies of scale, but for market share. Your bet is a risky one vs proven methodology.

But they are for economies of scale. Product like UberPool, LyftLine, and UberEats were born from it. The business gets more efficient, and as the network keeps evolving it’ll open up new business opportunities that’ll drive prices down.

It's still a grab for market share before the race to the bottom is finished and hopefully they've iterated to autonomous drivers, until then both companies are loss leaders with no profit visible on the horizon.
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