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I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Wow, where did this happen - which airport?

Peter O Knight Airport, Tampa, FL. Heres some coverage of the incident: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt...

Could have easily happened at Albert Whitted across the bay in St Pete, also. Usually just hear about planes running off the runway and into the water.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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The human body can sustain a surprising amount of damage and still carry on. Three different wingsuit pilots have survived unintentionally crashing into trees with no parachute out now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp3YLdhraPw https://vimeo.com/50817449 (view at 6:35) http://www.basejumper.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2994... And then you have Jeb Corliss crashing full speed into a mountain and surviving: htt…

That is indeed an incredible amount of dumb luck: hit the mountain with his legs, and there wasn't anything to hit directly after he tumbled. A few milliseconds' timing difference, and either clear pass or dead on impact.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Peter O Knight Airport, Tampa, FL. Heres some coverage of the incident: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt...

WTH was a sailboat mast doing in front of the runway? Was the pilot performing a short approach?

It doesn't help that the Davis Island yacht club is right next to the airport.

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9136028,-82.4500183,1593m/da...

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Peter O Knight Airport, Tampa, FL. Heres some coverage of the incident: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt...

WTH was a sailboat mast doing in front of the runway? Was the pilot performing a short approach?

So at this airport, there is a shipping channel you fly over right before the airport (the airport is on an island). However, this sailboat was motoring closer to the airport side and didnt have any sails up making it harder to see. Also, we were in an Extra 300, which is a tail dragging aircraft so we couldnt see over the front cowling. We impacted the boat at 40 feet, so gives you a sense of how close it was to the start of the runway. I didnt notice anything until all of a sudden I saw a pole whiz past the right side of my field of view and heard a bang. Next, thing I know we are rotating upside down, I feel an impact, then watch as the ground slides by a foot above my head (the aircraft has a glass canopy). Was conscious the whole time. Ended up pinned between the aircraft and the ground hanging upside down in my harness. Just typing this makes me think, oh yeah that actually happened.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Right, it's crazy how water can bend your body that much. I guess every part in the wave carry enough force to keep bending you in every angle. I also had pain in my spine for a while. I'm everything but supple.

You're right, when something pushes you you can usually swerve or redirect the motion. When the water hits you, even the water moving around you pins you in place, and the water behind sucks you in the same direction - it's impossible to pivot without gravity! I have a healthy fear of standing up in the ocean now...

Yep, and it's a very unnatural situation to be in, maybe people used to skyfall have better reflexes to stop spinning and getting a sense of orientation back.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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if your unlucky enough to be fully buried in an avalanche, it's not possible to dig, period. After everything stops moving, the loose snow refreezes almost instantly, locking you in place. Still, you're correct... Survivors often state they had no idea which direction was up.

This depends on the type of avalanche. I know,because I was caught in one. The one I was in was relatively minor and made up of a large part newly fallen snow. I had stopped for a break and managed to get my skis back on, but the thing overtook me hundred meters later. I had managed to get to higher ground relative to the rest of the slope, which is probably what saved me. I broke one leg and both my arms and got a p…

What mountain range? I understand the Rockies have a lot of nasty deep slab avalanches (not soft and fluffy) and the Sierras have really heavy wet snow (also not soft and fluffy). Alaska was mentioned in avy classes as the chief place for fluffy sloughing?

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Might I ask why you go white water rafting? It baffles me as it seems like a really dangerous hobby. I actually understand skydiving, bungee jumping, or climbing Everest, because they are controlled risks, but white water rafting seems very chaotic.

As someone who has done three of four (not done Everest, but have done highest peak in continental US), I think I can fairly say you have a misconception of the risk with white water rafting. The risk of being thrown overboard is high, but the risk of death is much lower in my opinion than skydiving. Sure, a tandem jump is pretty safe, but progressing further is barely what I would call a “controlled” risk. With BASE…

I thought skydiving was just a series of safety procedures, whereas white water rafting is something challenging even to experts, especially at category 5.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Wow, where did this happen - which airport?

Peter O Knight Airport, Tampa, FL. Heres some coverage of the incident: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt...

Christ, what a mess of an accident. You'd think there would be a practical solution to this that didn't involve operators having to worry about each other behaving correctly. Like moving the airport or shipping lane somewhere else so they don't interfere. Or the tower handling this via automation like a laser bouncing across the waterline and triggering an alert if a boat is too close to the shore.

Have you developed a fear of flying over this? Curious about the long term aspects at play here. Who was found at fault here? I'm assuming the boat captain.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Awesome read. Can anyone explain the quote below? I don't really understand how the minesweeper understood the signal. --- The Coast Guard amphibian gained altitude and flew off. (I learned later that he headed for a squadron of minesweepers that was returning to the United States from a tour of the Western Pacific. He was unable to tune to their radio frequency for communications. But this ingenious pilot lowered a…

I think it was mostly a matter of people asking "what is that Coast Guard amphibian rescue plane trying so hard to tell us?" and that question having a very short list of likely answers.

Makes me think of Lassy. "What are you trying to tell us? Is Timmy stuck in the well?"

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Peter O Knight Airport, Tampa, FL. Heres some coverage of the incident: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt...

Christ, what a mess of an accident. You'd think there would be a practical solution to this that didn't involve operators having to worry about each other behaving correctly. Like moving the airport or shipping lane somewhere else so they don't interfere. Or the tower handling this via automation like a laser bouncing across the waterline and triggering an alert if a boat is too close to the shore. Have you developed…

I have many thoughts on all of this.

1. Regarding solutions: This airport does not have a tower, so its up to the pilots to use the radio to announce intentions etc. To me, the core problem is that this does not loop in the boats and so there is no way to communicate. I think having the boats or some third party announce when a crossing is occurring would help. I also think, in response to this accident they moved the runway a few hundred feet further from the channel.

2. Regarding blame the NTSB actually ruled it pilot error, but I think that is myopic and only because there wasn't really anything else they could say since their jurisdiction doesnt extend into the rules of boats. Technically it is pilot error, but there were other errors as well from each side that all combined.

3. In terms of fear of flying, im actually okay. I had to fly twice per week for work for many years following this. Sometimes i'd have some flashbacks or bad thoughts, but overall don't have an issue. I've also been back up in a small plane just to do it. That said, I view commercial airplanes as completely safe and have no real fear with them. With small planes theres just so much can go wrong. The planes are not the issue, they are safe themselves. However, because of many small airports not having a tower, the lack of safety comes from having to deal with many other factors at play. I want to fly again later in life, its amazing and I have a love of planes. At this point though I feel like it would be pushing my luck so don't really do it.

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