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I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

#91
post #84

For non-americans: 15 000 feet is 4.5km.

I am a non-american, and understand the concept of 15000 feet. :) The only countries not to use feet as a measure of altitude for aviation purposes are China, DPRK and Russia. They use metres.

Ah I didn't know that, so pilots in France use feet as a measure for aviation altitude?

PS: wow, interesting https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit%C3%A9_en_aviation

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

#92
post #3

Related: A Serbian flight attendant who survived a fall of 10,160 metres without a parachute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87

Tangently related: Israeli F-15 pilot who loses a wing in a mid-air collision and still successfully lands. https://theaviationist.com/2014/09/15/f-15-lands-with-one-wi... Interesting tidbit: they slapped a replacement wing on and returned the aircraft to service.

Interview with the pilot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LveSc8Lp0ZE

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

#93
post #78
post #27

Earlier this year on a white water rafting expedition I had the misfortune of falling out of the raft and into a series of category 5 rapids. It was absolute chaos. The force of large bodies of moving water is astounding. Any notion of "swimming to safety" is ludicrous. A more accurate description is "being washed to safety" because you have no control over the larger movements of your body. I've heard in avalanches…

if your unlucky enough to be fully buried in an avalanche, it's not possible to dig, period. After everything stops moving, the loose snow refreezes almost instantly, locking you in place. Still, you're correct... Survivors often state they had no idea which direction was up.

I thought the common advice was to try to swim upwards while you were moving.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

#94
post #27

Earlier this year on a white water rafting expedition I had the misfortune of falling out of the raft and into a series of category 5 rapids. It was absolute chaos. The force of large bodies of moving water is astounding. Any notion of "swimming to safety" is ludicrous. A more accurate description is "being washed to safety" because you have no control over the larger movements of your body. I've heard in avalanches…

Happened to me a few times, it's a hell of a ride once the water gets you... there's no swimming in rapids, you can maybe just try to position yourself to have legs in front and even that is hard... and pray there's no fallen branches stuck between rocks somewhere in there.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

#95
post #27

Earlier this year on a white water rafting expedition I had the misfortune of falling out of the raft and into a series of category 5 rapids. It was absolute chaos. The force of large bodies of moving water is astounding. Any notion of "swimming to safety" is ludicrous. A more accurate description is "being washed to safety" because you have no control over the larger movements of your body. I've heard in avalanches…

Class 5: Whitewater, large waves, continuous rapids, large rocks and hazards, maybe a large drop, precise maneuvering. Often characterized by "must make" moves, i.e. failure to execute a specific maneuver at a specific point may result in serious injury or death. Class 5 is sometimes expanded to Class 5+ that describes the most extreme, runnable rapids (Skill Level: Expert)

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

#97
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a non-american, and understand the concept of 15000 feet. :) The only countries not to use feet as a measure of altitude for aviation purposes are China, DPRK and Russia. They use metres.

Ah I didn't know that, so pilots in France use feet as a measure for aviation altitude? PS: wow, interesting https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit%C3%A9_en_aviation

They only use it internally, when communicating to passengers, they still use metres (because nobody has any idea what a foot looks like in France).

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

#98
post #3

Related: A Serbian flight attendant who survived a fall of 10,160 metres without a parachute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87

very interesting stories!

there is a few similar posts here, but I always thought that the only known person who ever survived a fatal passenger aircraft crash, dropping out at high altitude, was this person:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliane_Koepcke

She was the only survivor of 92 passengers and crew in the 24 December 1971 crash of LANSA Flight 508 in the Peruvian rainforest. When the airliner broke up in mid-air, she survived after plummeting about 3 km (~10,000 feet) while still strapped to her seat, before crashing through the rain forest canopy and coming to rest on the forest floor.

Her injuries did allow her to walk for 10 days, until she was found. So you could say, it was mostly light injuries.

It is nowhere mentioned that she had a missing spleen btw.

someone else posted also this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sole_survivors_of_airl...

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

#99
post #78
post #27

Earlier this year on a white water rafting expedition I had the misfortune of falling out of the raft and into a series of category 5 rapids. It was absolute chaos. The force of large bodies of moving water is astounding. Any notion of "swimming to safety" is ludicrous. A more accurate description is "being washed to safety" because you have no control over the larger movements of your body. I've heard in avalanches…

if your unlucky enough to be fully buried in an avalanche, it's not possible to dig, period. After everything stops moving, the loose snow refreezes almost instantly, locking you in place. Still, you're correct... Survivors often state they had no idea which direction was up.

> Survivors often state they had no idea which direction was up

They can spit or pee.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

#100
post #45

That there was a mechanical failure, + 2 failures on the ejection, and a parachute failure - is not a fluke. This is an extreme dereliction of duty by design and/or maintenance teams. There would be blame to go around as a result of this, and surely some op changes.

This is why civil aviation is so safe, and why it remains dangerous. There is essentially no single root cause path to death in civilian aviation, you need multiple systems to fail (yes, including the pilot, because you have a copilot, medical tests, training, and related secondary systems all designed to prevent the pilot from failing or provide a secondary system if they do). Every aviation accident today is almost…

> Every aviation accident today is almost by definition a multi-system failure.

As in James Reason's famous "Swiss Cheese" model of accidents:

> In the Swiss Cheese model, an organisation's defenses against failure are modeled as a series of barriers, represented as slices of cheese. The holes in the slices represent weaknesses in individual parts of the system and are continually varying in size and position across the slices. The system produces failures when a hole in each slice momentarily aligns, permitting (in Reason's words) "a trajectory of accident opportunity"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model

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