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Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

StudentStuff wrote: post #271
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even worse, if you do walk after the bars close, you are more likely to get stopped by the police simply because you are out walking. Living a mile outside the city, you can get stopped because you are walking on the side of the major road. You are supposed to take the slower route through the countryside.

This only seems like an issue if your in what I'd call a bad area. The definition of this seems to be "bored, overstaffed cops policing minor incidents & creating crime", which you see often in the more affluent *burbs here on the West Coast. IMO that is why areas like Lake Oswego, Shoreline, etc are slum as far as I'm concerned. I would never want to live in a place where my power goes out every other month, my hous…

I'm basically describing Indiana outside of town. It is actually more likely in well-to-do areas since they assume folks will drive.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by avani »

twic wrote: post #297
ctoth wrote: post #150

I cannot drive. I take Uber to and from work every day using a Uber pass. If my alternative were public transit, a bus to a train to another bus or train depending, it would take me 1.5 hours per trip, for a total of 3 hours a day. I would not work in the corporate world if this were the case. Does this study capture these positive externalities? For blind people, these often-derided services are the difference betwe…

In London, efforts have been made to make buses and trains accessible for the blind and the mobility impaired, but there are also a couple of public schemes specifically for them. Taxicard makes it easy to arrange taxi trips, and subsidises them: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/taxis-and-minicabs/taxicard-and-cap... Dial-a-ride is a shared minibus: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/dial-a-ride/ As the names hint, they have been runn…

Those act like they're doing you a favor. "Our service will show up in an hour window if you call a day in advance, and you'd better be grateful, lesser human" I really fucking hate seperate but "equal" solutions for the disabled, and am grateful as hell I can afford to lyft everywhere I want to go.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by moduspol »

ProAm wrote: post #16
ecesena wrote: post #2

In SF a bus ride used to cost 2.25$, and I think it’s now 2.50$. Lyft line most of the time is 4$ + 1$ for an extra passenger. Uber is probably similar and perhaps cheaper, I don’t know. In short, there’s no benefit in using busses anymore.

> In short, there’s no benefit in using busses anymore. Except these rides are still heavily subsidized and are more expensive than the bus at this subsidized rate.

People keep saying this, and I'm sure there are ways to estimate, but drivers are typically getting 80% of the cost to the customer [1], with Uber keeping 20%.

Suggesting Uber's only able to price this way to due to investors subsidizing the price is to suggest the corporate side of the business can't make a profit from that 20% alone, which seems difficult to believe. If public transit advocates are expecting this is just a speculation-filled bubble, they might want to re-assess.

[1] https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-cut-does-Uber-take-fro...

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by fiatjaf »

wpietri wrote: post #330
fiatjaf wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It'll be interesting to see how these prices change when they are no longer subsidized by venture capitalists, contractor drivers, and society at large. You say that without realizing that public transport has been subsidized by the State and "society at large" for a hundred years.

Or I could realize it. But also think there's a big difference between subsidizing something available to all citizens and subsidizing a private business.

I disagree with your reasoning, and it depends on a lot of factors, but it is still irrelevant for the prices.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by wpietri »

benbristow wrote: post #200
ibejoeb wrote: post #155

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That all seems like a net positive to me, especially in major urban areas that a very car dependent like Los Angles, Atlanta, Houston... In LA, driving drunk was just the way of life, and it was a real problem. Now, I don't know anyone who prefers driving over ridesharing given the option. Uber Pool makes getting from the east side to the west side faster that public transit for about $10-15, which is less than 1 dri…

$10-15 for a drink? Of liquid gold?

On the one hand, you're 20 and live in a small city in Scotland, so I can see how you might not be up on LA cocktail prices. (Although the Internet informs me that cocktails are circa $10 in Edinburgh and $15 in London, so maybe this shouldn't be hugely surprising.)

On the other hand, you're 20, and so presumably know how to look things up. So next time, maybe try that first before dragging a discussion off topic? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=los+angeles+cocktail+price

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by EpicEng »

benbristow wrote: post #200
ibejoeb wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That all seems like a net positive to me, especially in major urban areas that a very car dependent like Los Angles, Atlanta, Houston... In LA, driving drunk was just the way of life, and it was a real problem. Now, I don't know anyone who prefers driving over ridesharing given the option. Uber Pool makes getting from the east side to the west side faster that public transit for about $10-15, which is less than 1 dri…

$10-15 for a drink? Of liquid gold?

Ever been to a large city?

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by netsharc »

ibejoeb wrote: post #155
abalone wrote: post #107

tl;dr People use ridesharing mostly to go out to eat and drink (62% of trips). Riders are actually more likely to own cars. They don't want to drive when they're going out because they don't want to deal with parking or drive drunk. They don't ride the bus because it's too slow, unreliable or unavailable. If ridesharing didn't exist, two fifths of the time they'd walk, bike or use public transit instead, and a fifth…

That all seems like a net positive to me, especially in major urban areas that a very car dependent like Los Angles, Atlanta, Houston... In LA, driving drunk was just the way of life, and it was a real problem. Now, I don't know anyone who prefers driving over ridesharing given the option. Uber Pool makes getting from the east side to the west side faster that public transit for about $10-15, which is less than 1 dri…

They should've done this study in a European city with great public transport which also has Uber, like Munich or Berlin.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by EpicEng »

theyregreat wrote: post #218
benbristow wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$10-15 for a drink? Of liquid gold?

$8 for a beer in a lot of places these days, $15+ for a cocktail. Another reason the bar scene in expensive cities is pointless. In small towns, a beer can be as cheap as $2 or free if the beverage vendor rep is passing out samples (ie whole bottles of beer). Big-box stores for beer by the case and make your own beer.

Access to alcohol is not really the driving motivation to go to a bar

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by wpietri »

fiatjaf wrote: post #334
wpietri wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or I could realize it. But also think there's a big difference between subsidizing something available to all citizens and subsidizing a private business.

I disagree with your reasoning, and it depends on a lot of factors, but it is still irrelevant for the prices.

Uber and Lyft prices are artificially low. Assorted hidden, accidental public subsidies are part of that. That is not irrelevant if the various governments paying those subsidies decide that they'd rather subsidize something else. If they do, prices will go up.
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