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New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At a certain point the comparison breaks down. Yes, public transit is subsidised. But it isn't subsidised in such a way that it is expected to eventually become self sustaining - tax-payer funding is expected to continue in perpetuity. That's not the case with Uber and Lyft. VCs are subsiding their rides on the expectation that eventually the company will dominate the market enough to not require subsidy any more.

> That's not the case with Uber and Lyft. I mentioned this elsewhere, but I wonder if maybe cities should run light rail and buses along the most used routes then subsidize private companies (like Lyft and Uber) to service people outside of those routes. I used to ride #43 Taylor's Ferry in Portland twice a day and I was sometimes on the bus by myself or with three or four other people. I bet it would have been far c…

There's definitely something to that. IIRC some municipalities partnered with Lyft on "last mile" transport from regional train services. Makes a lot more sense than park and ride, but I'm not sure what ever happened to it.

I'd argue that there's no reason transport agencies couldn't do this kind of intelligent routing/hailing themselves. The problem is usually that government is actively punished when they don't go for the cheapest possible alterative, so rather than hire a team of skilled, innovative developers, they out source to a lowest cost bidder. As a result it looks like private enterprise is the only place where innovation happens. It's a shame.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Transit systems in the US need some payment technology upgrade. On a couple of occasions, I haven't been able to board a bus due to not having exact change. Once, I was with kids & family visiting NYC. We were planning to take a public bus from a suburb to the city. The fare turned out to be $16 for all of us, but I had $11 and some $100 bills. Guess what, I couldn't board the bus as they can't return change. The bus…

I have had the same issue in the past in the Bay area. I finally got a clipper card a few weeks ago (I live in MV typically walk to work). Yesterday, I was in front of a VTA in San Jose trying to get back to MV. The people around were a bit shady, and there was a pretty long wait for the train - of course .. I called an Uber, which cost a few bucks more. Still waiting to use that clipper card.

Yes, clipper card can fix the problem for locals. But, temporary visitors/tourists to the area may not want to get such a card.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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I love technology, but I have a bad gut feeling about self-driving cars and the likelihood of unforeseen emergent outcomes. Some people think it will free up the streets, I think it's more likely to cause more congestion, with people sending the vehicles out for errands.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Transit systems in the US need some payment technology upgrade. On a couple of occasions, I haven't been able to board a bus due to not having exact change. Once, I was with kids & family visiting NYC. We were planning to take a public bus from a suburb to the city. The fare turned out to be $16 for all of us, but I had $11 and some $100 bills. Guess what, I couldn't board the bus as they can't return change. The bus…

Here in Austin, Texas Capital Metro does at least have an app that you can pay through. But I do agree that small transactions like that should be easier. Especially when a ride is $1.25. It's plausible that I might have a dollar on hand, but who carries around quarters these days?

You're probably supposed to use the contactless "smart" card to board. In many systems this card is linked to your bank account and tops you off at a certain amount each time your balance reaches a certain minimum threshold (e.g. once your balance is $10, it takes out $40 from your bank account).

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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aren't lyfts/ubers still heavily subsidized? the true cost of a line or pool isn't ~$4, or at least won't be $4 forever.

Imagine if they achieve economies of scale and started introducing buses instead of cars. Imagine they improve efficiency by driving routes as requested by customers in realtime. Imagine if they were to charge customers based on how much it actually costs them to drive in real time so each customer can decide if its worth it based on their own needs. I can definitely see that such a world will be a lot more efficient…

Especially if they can get the operator to purchase / maintain the bus!

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention safe and clean. In bigger cities, public transportation can put you in physical danger and have you walking out smelling worse than Theon Greyjoy

More people die in automobile crashes than from train crashes and crimes in public transit systems.

This doesn't mean anything. Although many more die from automobile crashes doesn't make using public transportation in some major cities inherently dangerous or unpleasant - even unhealthy.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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The cities included in the study are Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco/Bay Area, Seattle, and Washington, D.C.

I haven't really spent huge amounts of time in a couple of these cities, but I wonder how uniformly over the cities the data factored into the decision. My impression is that NYC, Chicago, and DC have much more comprehensive public transit systems than do the others in the list (except Boston, about which I know next to nothing.)

Is my impression just wrong? Public Transit just didn't seem to be nearly as big a thing in LA, SF, or Seattle in the time I spent there.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention safe and clean. In bigger cities, public transportation can put you in physical danger and have you walking out smelling worse than Theon Greyjoy

More people die in automobile crashes than from train crashes and crimes in public transit systems.

Yes, but that doesn't actually prove anything about the safety aspects of switching from public transit to a taxi-like service. The comparison would have to be made like-for-like trips.

However, the risks for both are quite small, and that's why the quite big gap in convenience dominates the equation, anyway.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Transit systems in the US need some payment technology upgrade. On a couple of occasions, I haven't been able to board a bus due to not having exact change. Once, I was with kids & family visiting NYC. We were planning to take a public bus from a suburb to the city. The fare turned out to be $16 for all of us, but I had $11 and some $100 bills. Guess what, I couldn't board the bus as they can't return change. The bus…

Drivers not giving change sounds ridiculous. What's the reasoning behind that? In Europe it doesn't seem to be a problem.

Most likely reason is to avoid drivers being robbed - if there's no (easy and accessible for the driver) way to take money out of the thing, local addicts won't get an idea "let's jump on a bus and take money from the driver" because driver can't really give the money.

Also a bit of avoiding fraud from driver's side - if the driver is allowed to take money out, it's impossible to control whether all the payments actually got to the end point.

That said, I've seen systems where the drivers give change - e.g. in Israel - and that's wasn't a big deal. So I guess it also depends on the locality.

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