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New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Its pretty disappointing that transit advocacy groups spend more time fighting ride-share and jitney transit services than actually working to improve transit in their cities. Instead of looking for solutions to making faster, cleaner, more reliable transit more feasible, they're blaming riders and ride-share companies for a 5% reduction in ridership.

The statement " Uber and Lyft have reduced mass transit use" doesn't contain a value judgement. It's simply stating the most likely explanation for the observed data.

But advocacy against ride-sharing is probably a good use for mass transit advocates' time: this trend drains the financial resources from mass transit, it further reduces the group of people interested in public transit to the poor, who have less political influence. And it creates more traffic, where now even more often a bus with 60 passengers is held up by three cars with one passenger each, preferably blocking traffic while unloading.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

#82
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Congestion pricing for use of city streets would quickly solve any problems due to increased use.

Absolutely. Space on the street is a valuable, limited resource, especially at peak times. And it should be priced accordingly. We also need competition in bus service, not government-run, subsidized monopolies. Then we'd see many more transportation options. We should look at how these problems are solved in other countries. Or all of the innovation we had here in the US when cars first became practical, before the…

No you wont you will get cherry picked routes and in the uk the free bus pass for seniors and use of the same busses for transporting school kids really distorts bus service for other users

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

#83
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. A faster / better / cheaper train or bus takes cars directly off the road. So you can add more subways / trains / buses / etc. to do this.

Adding more units, where existing units are underutilized , makes no sense.

It makes no sense if all units here are equal.

It makes a lot of sense to add better unit.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

#84
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Link to the actual report: https://itspubs.ucdavis.edu/wp-content/themes/ucdavis/pubs/d... What it actually says: "Directionally, based on mode substitution and ride-hailing frequency of use data, we conclude that ride-hailing is currently _likely to_ contribute to growth in vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in the major cities represented in this study." (Emphasis mine)

Other than in mathematics (broadly interpreted), there is no definitive proof. There are just different degrees of confidence. Even though Uber has been saying that they are improving urban transportation, I have always been skeptical. As new substitutes are introduced to mass transit - mass transit use should decline. If those new substitutes are heavily subsidized by VCs, mass transit will decline more.

> Even though Uber has been saying that they are improving urban transportation

Note here that there are other dimensions of improving, not expressed in VMT. Such as convenience, availability, time to get to certain point, ability to perform certain tasks (e.g. compare traveling with two huge suitcases to/from an airport in public transport with two transfers and in a ride service car), etc. So when talking about improving, I don't think VMT is really a good criterion.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

#85
post #12

Right, just like taxis... Oh wait

Taxis, as so many have bemoaned on Hacker News, are usually artificially limited in number. For example, by the existence of the medallion system.

Is there such a system in general use? Aside from NY, and London with its archaic "knowlege", is there any artificial limitations on most cities?

The problems with taxis has always been how inconvienent they are - hailing, having to pay, having to beg for a receipt (and then in NY the forced adverts)

Uber etc makes taxis easy. It's cheap too, but that's to be expected in the near future with automated driving.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did it in London?

In London taxis are classed as public transport - don't have to pay congestion charges, and the legacy expensive cash-only ones can use bus lanes (but not south of the river at this time of night). The upshot of this is its far cheaper to park outside and get a taxi from outside the zone than to drive all the way in, despite not saving on congestion. The reason it didn't used to be as easy was black cabs are an archa…

I have always found black cabs reliable I lost my wallet in one and it was handed into my bank with the £200 intact

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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post #9

Link to the actual report: https://itspubs.ucdavis.edu/wp-content/themes/ucdavis/pubs/d... What it actually says: "Directionally, based on mode substitution and ride-hailing frequency of use data, we conclude that ride-hailing is currently _likely to_ contribute to growth in vehicle miles traveled (VMT) in the major cities represented in this study." (Emphasis mine)

Are there realistic situations where a cheaper and more convenient form of driven transport leads to fewer VMT?

The biggest current mechanism is the case where driving beats commuter rail + walking, but commuter rail + ride hail beats driving. The other would be where a shared ride (ie, Uber pool rather than Uber X) is replacing a solo car trip.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

#88
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both services are subsidizing their rides significantly, so while I think transit does need to work on improvements it’s important to remember that the comparison is currently unfair and will change when investors start looking for profits.

You don't think the public transportation systems are subsidized?

Yes, just like the roads. The difference is that civil infrastructure isn’t expected to be profitable and there isn’t the equivalent of an investor who will decide that next quarter needs to be profitable.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

#89
Uber and Lyft have saved my butt more than a few times when the NYC subway trains weren’t running.

Maybe if the subway trains weren’t regularly delayed, overcrowded, and filled with performers and the homeless I wouldn’t be so quick to use Uber/Lyft.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

#90
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For my everyday commute in SV, Lyft made it possible for me to even use Caltrain. I use Lyft to connect the last mile from/to work, but the bulk of the distance is covered by Caltrain. This combo is the most optimal for me because i get to dodge 101 highway completely. Also, VTA buses are close to useless to me, not only that they are frequently late, but they are too dirty/smelly/full of riff raff, don't take credit…

Is it really such a hard ship to walk a mile?
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