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Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Why so many labels in your oil? Isn't extra virgin sufficient?

Actually, no. A large majority of "olive oil" sold is either fake or adulterated. Those extra labels he mentions are to identify genuine and clean olive oil.

Are there any brands available on Amazon which meet this criteria?

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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It takes about a week of < 20g/carbs a day for the body to go into ketosis. This is born out by buying keto strips and testing your urine.

A little known fact is that you can induce ketosis while eating carbs. The biochemistry here is clear: You get into ketosis when you oversupply acetyl groups to the TCA cycle. Adding MCT (Medium Chain triglycerides) to your diet will do this.

I think this needs a little more explanation. Can you provide that?

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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A little known fact is that you can induce ketosis while eating carbs. The biochemistry here is clear: You get into ketosis when you oversupply acetyl groups to the TCA cycle. Adding MCT (Medium Chain triglycerides) to your diet will do this.

I think this needs a little more explanation. Can you provide that?

Check this out: https://youtu.be/DG79PYeqZ78

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> Importantly, a certain amount of carbohydrate is necessary to meet short-term energy demands during physical activity [...] Why would they make such a claim? Anyone who has done keto and worked out has probably had the experience of doing quite a lot of physical activity while having had no carbohydrate intake at all for half a day before, or more.

At most, your brain can run with 75% ketones/25% glucose. Other organs (kidneys, red blood cells, cornea) need about 15-25 grams/carb per day. If you do not get glucose from diet, your body will build it (gluconeogenesis). Must see if you want to understand/practice keto right: https://www.youtube.com/user/chrismasterjohn/videos

> If you do not get glucose from diet, your body will build it (gluconeogenesis).

That is also my knowledge. Therefore, there seems no need for any intake of carbohydrates; So the claim about "needing carbohydrates" is not warranted (about intake, anyway)

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The book The Lore of Running covers this as well. For normal day to day things this is fine. However, it is extremely understudied with minimal evidence it works for everyone. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.runnersworld.com/newswire/d... It is still unclear, and dubious to claim, that you can operate at 80+ percent VO2 max on hard work outs. Maybe for short workouts or workouts with bursts of activity e.g. basketba…

Great comment, I'm curious about all this too. I'd be interested in more precise data than my own vague n = 1 impressions! I actually spent a fair bit of time delivering VO2 max tests to athletes (in a previous life as an exercise physiology lab volunteer). This comment has me wondering if I still know any active researchers in this area, looking for ideas...

I have tried it too. I did not PR in the 5k I tried it for. I think on long runs I never noticed, but 50 minute sessions with 5k pace intervals never felt the same zip as I did on carbs. I was consistent with it for 3-4 months so I am sure I was fat adapted. I noticed my water weight was less unstable (my weight didn't fluctuate as much day to day.) I still like periods of low carb, but I found it onnerous to stay I'm that 20g or less range always. Especially with kids and a wife not on the same diet. So I am optimistically on board the low carb diet scheme, it was fine for me. I cautiously think fine for almost everyone. But... :)

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I started a keto diet 2 weeks ago. As far as my research into keto goes eating too much carbs kicks you out of ketosis (duh!) and eating too much protein triggers gluconeogenesis which also kicks you out of ketosis. Which is a shame because I'd be happy to eat fatty steak and fatty pork all the time! Keto guidelines generally say 30g carbs per day and that's what I'm going to stick to (net carbs; I want to eat avocad…

What was your motivation for starting the keto diet?

I've been weightlifting for a while and got fitter and stronger but the progress has been slow so I decided to change things up. I read about keto and the more I read the more awesome it seemed.

Since I switched to keto I have an amazing mental clarity. Literally from the moment I open my eyes in the morning I feel lucid (before I'd take me maybe 30 min and maybe a coffee to "wake up"). And I feel lucid all the way until I fall asleep (I don't get tired before falling asleep. Just go to bed, sleep). Nice and steady energy throughout the day.

Also, I feel noticeably better overall. My max strength suffered a little bit (keto can take 1-3 months to adjust) but I'm more energetic throughout the day, mind and body.

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You hit the nail on the head for exactly why I couldn't stick with a ketogenic diet. It became too much of a burden on the people I was with to feed just me because everything they wanted was stuff like tacos, pizza, rice dishes, fried dishes, etc. I have an unresearched (by me) theory that the reason we have so many carb heavy diets is due to the fact that carbs are such cheap calories. They were good for surviving…

Yep. It’s all thanks to the agricultural boom. Grain is everywhere and it is CHEAP.

And subsidized!

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There’s no such thing as necessary carbohydrates. The body is capable of producing all the glucose it needs.

True, but think about non-necessary vs beneficial vs optimal. "Gluconeogenesis is extremely expensive" [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og8PTdjVAWE

The key to cheap and non-harmful GNG is to have copious amounts of fats circulating, at a keto-typical low weight that means copious intakes of fats too. GNG ideally shouldn't/wouldn't happen from proteins (unless intake is very high) but from other metabolic byproducts and the glycerol backbones of triglycerides. Then this process typically accompanies ketosis in which ketones (endogenously produced-from-fat-burning types-of-carbohydrate but not from GNG) power most (not all) glucose-but-not-fat-burning-capable cells. Fat-adapted where possible, ketone-adapted elsewhere, and lots of byproducts that ordinarily would be "useless and to be excreted" (not just glycerol but also lactate, pyruvate etc) can now feed into (non-protein) GNG without the complications and expenses and downsides of protein-to-glucose GNG.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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I’ve been living a ketogenic lifestyle for a few years now. I go in and out once and a while but seeing the “fat is bad” theory thrown out the window with research like this makes it easier to remain committed. The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal. Like 90% of the food my peer group eats are surrounded in carbs. Even for a company-wide lunch in the office: the go-t…

>The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal. I am pretty sure that isn't conditioning. Eating a burger with no chips is just plain wrong, and the same the other way around as well. When I am eating rice and meat together, if I eat just meat, it doesn't taste good. It is so specific, that there is a specific amount of rice that has to go with the meat. Everyone knows this…

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