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Ask HN: Selling my first company - need help with the process

#1
I built a product which company x is willing to acquire/license. From my estimations, they will be adding at least $*M to their bottom line. Company x also agreed that my estimations are reasonable and accurate. It is really glad that most arduous initial part of the initiation/demo are all done and both of us are completely upbeat about the deal. For a lot of reasons, I prefer selling out instead of releasing it to market myself - unless deal falls apart. I haven't raised any money so far.

Now, I need help in some best practices going forward. Things like, 1. how do I come up with price tag for my product(I don't want to have them low ball or I don't want to ask really high number either). 2. what is involved wrt legal paper work.

anything else i should watch out for in this time frame

thanks

PS: I am a regular user and contributor - I am using throwaway login just to be anonymous.

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I've never been in your shoes, but one small tidbit I've learned about business in general is that the first person to say a number loses. If you can, try to get an offer out of them, and start negotiations there.

The other rule of thumb I've seen acquirers use is (yearly revenue) * X, where X is some indicator of the risk of the business evaporating. Values of 0.9-1.6 for X seem pretty common for a product with little history.

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I've never been in your shoes, but one small tidbit I've learned about business in general is that the first person to say a number loses. If you can, try to get an offer out of them, and start negotiations there. The other rule of thumb I've seen acquirers use is (yearly revenue) * X, where X is some indicator of the risk of the business evaporating. Values of 0.9-1.6 for X seem pretty common for a product with litt…

the first person to say a number loses

This is really just a myth. If you present a buyer with well-justified and thought-out reasons for your number, it's going to be hard for them to counter-offer with something ridiculous, unless they're just being an ass. Not to mention you should always have your base number in mind, at which point you just walk away. The OP also said the company has agreed with most of his initial estimations, so he's clearly in a better position with regards to the number he can ask.

In my deals, I usually take $Well-Justified-Price and then tack on $Extra to swing the deal far in my favor. Usually $Extra brings the price close to where I think the buyer would walk away. Then it's up to the buyer to do their due diligence and we can talk about the facts behind the number and do our negotiating there. Usually it comes down, but that's the point of inflating your own value first.

Regardless, I've done this for selling my Facebook apps, vehicles, negotiating job salary, etc. If a buyer is pulling lowball crap, you basically tell them to cut the BS, reiterate the facts behind the number and make a call-to-action (i.e. "Buyer, you know everything behind this number is legit, now let's come to agreement"). If not, you walk away, simple as that.

Sometimes the buyer does have legitimate sticking points though, and that's usually where you just have to listen and go into "understanding" mode to get to the root of their concerns. Once you hear them out, you cut them a little slack on the price and then again reiterate all the facts behind what you're giving them (ABC - Always Be Closing)... When you present someone with solid facts, they can't help but agree with you, so it helps to get that final "Yes" when you ask them to close with you.

For the OP, you really need to do your research and come up with a solid justification for a number you have in your head. Drew gave one example of revenue * X, which is what I used when I sold one of my Facebook apps. If you're adding $$$ to their bottom line, then use that to make your argument also. This is a flexible process and depends greatly on industry. For websites it can often just be Drew's formula. Regardless, make sure there's at least some "science" behind your wild-ass-guess, and that way it'll at least look like you put in the work to come up with a legitimate price.

To be honest though, that's the fun of deals... it's really a flexible process and there's a ton of learning involved, so have fun with it. Don't be afraid to ask for something inflated though, so long as it's well justified and not pulled from your rear. After that it's the buyer's responsibility to negotiate down.

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Regarding pricing have you explored whether or not companies W, Y or Z might be interested in buying your product? Until you explore other buyers you are limiting the range of offers you may be able to get. By only entertaining what company X might buy this for you have already agreed to a price range which is $some amount of money that's an obscene deal for company X to $the maximum company X might be willing to pay. The max may or may not be a good deal for you though. It may be a bit too late in your case to pursue other options - or you may feel like company X has the resources to give you the kind of deal you are looking for in which case +1 to drewcrawford's answer.

A friend and I sold an app (all IP, etc) several years ago and I've sometimes regretted not exploring other options, and also not iterating for a few more months to see if we could have made the product more valuable. At the same time though, the offer came out of the blue and both of us were more than happy to get some dough for something we had been hacking on in our spare time.

Regarding #2, get a freaking lawyer and a CPA ASAP. When you are talking about $*M, you should have no trouble ponying up now so you don't get screwed later.

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post #3

I have been in your shoes and priced myself out of the deal. I am looking forward to seeing the experience of others.

Care to share your experience. It would probably help others.

We had an application that was getting interest from a company that wanted to license the tech and add the product to their portfolio. I felt their licensing deal was convoluted and left too much room for us to get screwed. I then picked what I thought was a best-case kind of number and it ended up being so much higher than they were thinking that they didn't even want to counter.

It is hard to recover from that.

So I guess the lesson is that just like it is hard to raise your first price, it can also be hard to lower it.

In hindsight we would have taken 1/5 of what our number was and been happy. A win is better than nothing.

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post #7

I've never been in your shoes, but one small tidbit I've learned about business in general is that the first person to say a number loses. If you can, try to get an offer out of them, and start negotiations there. The other rule of thumb I've seen acquirers use is (yearly revenue) * X, where X is some indicator of the risk of the business evaporating. Values of 0.9-1.6 for X seem pretty common for a product with litt…

the first person to say a number loses This is really just a myth. If you present a buyer with well-justified and thought-out reasons for your number, it's going to be hard for them to counter-offer with something ridiculous, unless they're just being an ass. Not to mention you should always have your base number in mind, at which point you just walk away. The OP also said the company has agreed with most of his init…

"This is really just a myth. If you present a buyer with well-justified and thought-out reasons for your number, it's going to be hard for them to counter-offer with something ridiculous, unless they're just being an ass"

Wrong, you're missing the point entirely, I'd like to buy a business from you...

The point is that if you offer a price first, this is the HIGHTEST the buyer will pay, he might have valued the business at more, in this case you have left money on the table.

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