Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
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Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
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Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
#2Man, that's rough. I know there is good reason to get rid of dead weight, but two things:
1. I had no idea dead weight would be allowed to exist at Tesla.
2. I believe dead weight can be redeemable, if you put in the right effort --not the procedural PIP stuff (which is about improvement as much as incarceration is about rehabilitation) but I mean real effort to rehabilitate a worker. Maybe too much effort for a high flying co.
Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
#3Man, that's rough. I know there is good reason to get rid of dead weight, but two things: 1. I had no idea dead weight would be allowed to exist at Tesla. 2. I believe dead weight can be redeemable, if you put in the right effort --not the procedural PIP stuff (which is about improvement as much as incarceration is about rehabilitation) but I mean real effort to rehabilitate a worker. Maybe too much effort for a high…
Not to waste time pointing out what you already know, but I think it's worth adding that you can be fired without being dead weight. Many firms (especially in law or consulting) have chosen to have pyramid structures with up-or-out policies that fire half the employees every two years. Even if the fired employees are good, this keeps everyone motivated and allows you to churn through employees to find the really excellent ones worth developing. The system is not inherently good or bad, as long as all parties are aware of it.
Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
#4Man, that's rough. I know there is good reason to get rid of dead weight, but two things: 1. I had no idea dead weight would be allowed to exist at Tesla. 2. I believe dead weight can be redeemable, if you put in the right effort --not the procedural PIP stuff (which is about improvement as much as incarceration is about rehabilitation) but I mean real effort to rehabilitate a worker. Maybe too much effort for a high…
I suppose "dead weight" can be redeemable, however I would say that if you are "dead weight" you probably have the wrong job, and are very likely better off finding something different.
As we get older, that's less and less of an option, and often we have to put up with a job rather than enjoy a job.
Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
#5Man, that's rough. I know there is good reason to get rid of dead weight, but two things: 1. I had no idea dead weight would be allowed to exist at Tesla. 2. I believe dead weight can be redeemable, if you put in the right effort --not the procedural PIP stuff (which is about improvement as much as incarceration is about rehabilitation) but I mean real effort to rehabilitate a worker. Maybe too much effort for a high…
Not to waste time pointing out what you already know, but I think it's worth adding that you can be fired without being dead weight. Many firms (especially in law or consulting) have chosen to have pyramid structures with up-or-out policies that fire half the employees every two years. Even if the fired employees are good, this keeps everyone motivated and allows you to churn through employees to find the really exce…
My understanding was that tech (and I consider Tesla tech even if it's inherently auto) companies were getting away from the stack rank evaluations (save a few). So I'm a bit surprised Tesla is going in that direction.
High demand workers have more opportunities and those that can (the good ones) will find a diff job that does not play this kind of churn game. So I'd thought.
Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
#6Man, that's rough. I know there is good reason to get rid of dead weight, but two things: 1. I had no idea dead weight would be allowed to exist at Tesla. 2. I believe dead weight can be redeemable, if you put in the right effort --not the procedural PIP stuff (which is about improvement as much as incarceration is about rehabilitation) but I mean real effort to rehabilitate a worker. Maybe too much effort for a high…
I suppose "dead weight" can be redeemable, however I would say that if you are "dead weight" you probably have the wrong job, and are very likely better off finding something different. As we get older, that's less and less of an option, and often we have to put up with a job rather than enjoy a job.
So if dead weight often is attributable to wrong job (rather than utter incompetence) isn't job redistribution.assignment a more or less manageable issue when you have 33 thousand emps?
Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
#7Hire enthusiasm, fire incompetence. Luxurious growth tactic.
Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
#8Man, that's rough. I know there is good reason to get rid of dead weight, but two things: 1. I had no idea dead weight would be allowed to exist at Tesla. 2. I believe dead weight can be redeemable, if you put in the right effort --not the procedural PIP stuff (which is about improvement as much as incarceration is about rehabilitation) but I mean real effort to rehabilitate a worker. Maybe too much effort for a high…
Not to waste time pointing out what you already know, but I think it's worth adding that you can be fired without being dead weight. Many firms (especially in law or consulting) have chosen to have pyramid structures with up-or-out policies that fire half the employees every two years. Even if the fired employees are good, this keeps everyone motivated and allows you to churn through employees to find the really exce…
> The system is not inherently good or bad, as long as all parties are aware of it.
There's a lot of problems with stack ranking, not least that it discourages cooperation and encourages direct or indirect sabotage (e.g. declining to hire new prospects who you suspect might be better than you). Wikipedia discusses many of the issues: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Vitality_curve
Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
#9Man, that's rough. I know there is good reason to get rid of dead weight, but two things: 1. I had no idea dead weight would be allowed to exist at Tesla. 2. I believe dead weight can be redeemable, if you put in the right effort --not the procedural PIP stuff (which is about improvement as much as incarceration is about rehabilitation) but I mean real effort to rehabilitate a worker. Maybe too much effort for a high…
> dead weight
Calling real people "dead weight" is insulting and dehumanizing.
Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory
#10Man, that's rough. I know there is good reason to get rid of dead weight, but two things: 1. I had no idea dead weight would be allowed to exist at Tesla. 2. I believe dead weight can be redeemable, if you put in the right effort --not the procedural PIP stuff (which is about improvement as much as incarceration is about rehabilitation) but I mean real effort to rehabilitate a worker. Maybe too much effort for a high…
> dead weight Calling real people "dead weight" is insulting and dehumanizing.
I'm not classifying them as dead weight, Tesla is. If they are firing them, they must in some way believe they are dead weight in some context. It's not an indictment on the employees, it's an indictment of Tesla.
On the other hand I believe these people are not dead weight and are redeemable with the right effort.