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Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Post by hwillis »

big_youth wrote: post #57
KGIII wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is so much right in the above three posts that I'd vote twice, if I could. The wealthy buy drugs from people who drive nice sports sedans and wear suits, or similar. They aren't down at the crack house giving blowjobs for dime bags. Some of the biggest stashes of drugs, that I have seen, have been inside what you'd probably call a mansion. No, this wasn't dealers. This was for personal consumption and/or to be…

Back in college my cocaine dealer was a city police officer. I had no idea until I saw him eating at a local restaurant in his police gear.

In the affluent suburban town where I grew up, the chief of police was caught selling percocet to a middle schooler.

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Post by tiggybear »

randyrand wrote: post #48

Is this even a question? Having spent my teenage years in what would otherwise be called a ghetto and now living in a wealthier suburb, poor neighborhoods have way more selfish assholes. I'm very glad I got out of there. I think being an asshole hurts you more than is helps you as you get richer.

Depends how you look at it. I think rich people are more likely to look out for each other. You can often see this in the way our laws work, if the middle and lower classes are screwed over it's a huge fight to bring justice. But if rich people are screwed over, justice seems to come at a swift pace.

I think rich people treat rich people better and poor and middle classes tend to treat each other like trash but treat rich people like they are gods.

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Post by jjawssd »

maxxxxx wrote: post #45
jjawssd wrote: post #41

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The 12 year old in a sweatshop in Bangladesh might be supporting a family and may otherwise have to resort to a lower income, starvation, or death without the opportunity Walmart offers.

That's no excuse to make them work in the conditions they have to work. We should be willing to pay more. I know that I am a hypocrite.

That's the thing though. It is extremely unlikely that they are being "MADE" to work. Slavery is essentially outlawed. If you don't provide these people with better, higher paying alternative jobs, then there will be NO JOBS if you ban these.

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Post by csomar »

allendoerfer wrote: post #26
testvox wrote: post #24

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If you are being a team player because that's what's needed for you to succeed personally then isn't being a team player the selfish strategy?

Taken to the extreme: If you do good to feel good, you are selfish. But I don't think it matters to the outside. Let's judge the whole person and not some Freudian ego of him.

You are not taking it to the extreme. You are just discovering that "selfishness" is not hard-defined. It is relative, and thus one cannot measure it through different people since each one of them will perceive it differently.

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Post by maxxxxx »

jjawssd wrote: post #63
maxxxxx wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's no excuse to make them work in the conditions they have to work. We should be willing to pay more. I know that I am a hypocrite.

That's the thing though. It is extremely unlikely that they are being "MADE" to work. Slavery is essentially outlawed. If you don't provide these people with better, higher paying alternative jobs, then there will be NO JOBS if you ban these.

How about rich countries would accept paying a little more for their stuff?

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Post by paulddraper »

24gttghh wrote: post #60
paulddraper wrote: post #53

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It depends how you define it. Alcohol abuse is positively correlated with wealth. Tobacco, marijuana, and cocaine use is negatively correlated.

Source? Marijauana use and alcohol use both seem to correlate positively with wealth, but Tobacco indeed appears to be a negative correlation. [0] [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3410945/

The study you cited is limited to young adults (18-23), which is a rather small segment. A more recent study with a wider population [1]:

> Poorer marijuana users smoking the most. Pot users profile closer to cigarette smokers than alcohol drinkers.

[1] http://www.denverpost.com/2016/08/14/study-poorer-marijuana-...

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Post by trapperkeeper74 »

hwillis wrote: post #42
trapperkeeper74 wrote: post #17

People often conflate nebulous “evil” with more specific rational self-interest, good investments and cheating/underpaying/stealing from people. There are a lot of middling rich people whom do underpay people because it works and don’t care about long-term views of themselves or of the relationship... this can sabotage greater opportunities later on or current income streams now (it’s a small world and a hyperconnect…

> Wealth is a spectrum, as are integrity and personality. How is squishy “science” going to “measure” take those nuances or mentally-compartmentalized/hidden wealth transfer into account? By measuring on a spectrum of wealth and integrity, and choosing a sample size so as to to ameliorate personality to p < .05. They have graphs of socioeconomic class vs. unethical behavior. A few studies also included priming the su…

Spectrum isn’t an axis. There is much grey in the world statistics can’t capture. Looking for data to fit a narrative is political science, not science.

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Post by KekDemaga »

maxxxxx wrote: post #66
jjawssd wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the thing though. It is extremely unlikely that they are being "MADE" to work. Slavery is essentially outlawed. If you don't provide these people with better, higher paying alternative jobs, then there will be NO JOBS if you ban these.

How about rich countries would accept paying a little more for their stuff?

Why not give to charity? That's what I do.

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Post by manicdee »

randyrand wrote: post #48

Is this even a question? Having spent my teenage years in what would otherwise be called a ghetto and now living in a wealthier suburb, poor neighborhoods have way more selfish assholes. I'm very glad I got out of there. I think being an asshole hurts you more than is helps you as you get richer.

In that scenario there are more factors determining behaviour than availability of money.

A better comparison is between people in the same social bracket who have relatively more or less money, such as the Monopoly experiment where one player was given an intrinsic advantage.

https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_piff_does_money_make_you_mean

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