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Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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If you are being a team player because that's what's needed for you to succeed personally then isn't being a team player the selfish strategy?

Yes. Being kind and sharing with other people typically leads to a positive outcome for ourselves. Even altruism feels good on the inside--otherwise nobody would do it. The Dalai Lama calls this "wise selfishness"

And Gus Levy, of Goldman Sachs fame, called it long-term greedy.

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I was super interested to read how they defined "rich". Is it just networth greater than X? Is someone who saves diligently for 50 years to get X also rich in their definition? Sadly those details appear to be behind a paywall and it seems what they really wanted to determine was the relationship between greedy attitudes and social economic status although their summary does use the word rich plenty, again, without d…

Equally important is how you define "unethical." I'd imagine people in higher socioeconomic levels are more likely to lie in a negotiation or ignore traffic laws (traffic penalties fines are regressive in the sense they are fixed, skill in negotiating is probably correlated with skill in lying), but less likely to commit violent crimes or engage in drug abuse.

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Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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The game is selfish, players must be selfish or self-interested to survive. This game efficiently works out niceness/sharing as a matter of survival.

Do you have any research to back up that claim? In my experience, selfishness and self-interest leads to isolation where nobody will help you with anything worthwhile. Gotta care about other people and be a team player to succeed

You don't have to be a team player. You just have to pretend to be a team player. Big difference.

It's surprisingly easy to pretend. From my experience, a lot of rich people are surprisingly bad at seeing the difference between fake and genuine... If everyone around you is fake, you get used to it and it becomes the norm. You don't notice what is normal.

The richer someone is, the nicer people will be toward them and the more easily they become offended when someone is not nice. Being offended is not the norm for rich people so it hurts more when it happens.

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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The game is selfish, players must be selfish or self-interested to survive. This game efficiently works out niceness/sharing as a matter of survival.

Do you have any research to back up that claim? In my experience, selfishness and self-interest leads to isolation where nobody will help you with anything worthwhile. Gotta care about other people and be a team player to succeed

Got to be a cuckoobird- pretending to be a team-player, placing all those eggs, in foreign baskets.

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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I was super interested to read how they defined "rich". Is it just networth greater than X? Is someone who saves diligently for 50 years to get X also rich in their definition? Sadly those details appear to be behind a paywall and it seems what they really wanted to determine was the relationship between greedy attitudes and social economic status although their summary does use the word rich plenty, again, without d…

Sci-hub FTW Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior: https://sci-hub.io/http://www.pnas.org/content/109/11/4086.a... A 4-study replication of the moderating effects of greed on socioeconomic status and unethical behaviour https://sci-hub.io/https://www.nature.com/articles/sdata2016...

And to answer the question, it seems like class was self-ranked based on the MacArthur Scale of Subjective Social Status[1] rather than having two groups drawn from two classes. "Low" and "High" look like they're just the two groups above and below the median of the study.

[1]: http://www.macses.ucsf.edu/research/psychosocial/subjective....

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Being kind and sharing with other people typically leads to a positive outcome for ourselves. Even altruism feels good on the inside--otherwise nobody would do it. The Dalai Lama calls this "wise selfishness"

And Gus Levy, of Goldman Sachs fame, called it long-term greedy.

Big surprise, the ghost train guy would have used a ghost train..

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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I was super interested to read how they defined "rich". Is it just networth greater than X? Is someone who saves diligently for 50 years to get X also rich in their definition? Sadly those details appear to be behind a paywall and it seems what they really wanted to determine was the relationship between greedy attitudes and social economic status although their summary does use the word rich plenty, again, without d…

Equally important is how you define "unethical." I'd imagine people in higher socioeconomic levels are more likely to lie in a negotiation or ignore traffic laws (traffic penalties fines are regressive in the sense they are fixed, skill in negotiating is probably correlated with skill in lying), but less likely to commit violent crimes or engage in drug abuse.

> traffic penalties fines are regressive in the sense they are fixed

They actually did examine almost exactly that, although none of the studies involved actual laws or punishments outside social repercussions. They measured how likely someone was to cut people off while driving. Most of the other scenarios involved sharing rewards.

Re: Are rich people meaner? Two teams find errors in each other’s work

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The game is selfish, players must be selfish or self-interested to survive. This game efficiently works out niceness/sharing as a matter of survival.

Do you have any research to back up that claim? In my experience, selfishness and self-interest leads to isolation where nobody will help you with anything worthwhile. Gotta care about other people and be a team player to succeed

Game theory bases that we are all self-interested and that also adds a level of safety in some scenarios. For instance you don't want to tank your team, you want YOUR team to win so you do more because of that self-interest. Cooperation can be part of self-interest in that aspect. Even self interest has a level of moral norms and respect for civil rights because you want that same level of protection.

What happens to niceness? It gets chewed up and eaten. I am a very cooperative person but through my life I have realized niceness/loyalty come at a cost but are hard not to do. If you aren't self-interested in yourself, noone will be.

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