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Silicon Valley Is Not Your Friend

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I grew up reading 2600 and the jargon file and early slashdot, and hanging out on freenode and usenet, so i've been indoctrinated in this way of thinking this way for 20 years. In my experience, the people who built the net are among its sharpest and most vocal critics, and there's some cause for that.

I'm not sure what the implications of everyone else thinking this way will be.

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Okay, there are a lot of ills in Silicon Valley / Tech world, but this article... frankly speaking... is a load of anti-corporate rage.

I've read about halfway through this article, and it seems like the biggest "sin" of Silicon Valley, according to this article, is their acceptance of advertisements (Google / Facebook Mobile) and possibly Amazon's dominance of the online marketplace?

Facebook's "sin" of allowing Russian-linked advertisements which spread propaganda to the US election is probably the worst thing mentioned. But in the great scheme of things (with Facebook cooperating with proper authorities), that's a moot issue since Zuckerberg seems to be "on our side" there.

There are far better arguments elsewhere. This article is... poorly written. In my personal opinion anyway.

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With that said: the important thing about this article is the general shift of the mainstream media and public sentiment. It seems like newspapers are finding it "in vogue" to hate on Silicon Valley, even if they barely understand the subject.

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If you aren’t paying for the service then the company is certainly not your friend. Even when you paying I would still be cautious.

In the beginning, FB was a great way to connect and the community seemed more friendly and united. Now it’s used as a political divider and a cesspool of mis-information.

NextDoor has been a positive experience for me but I can see it going they way of FB. Depends on your neighbors I guess.

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post #4

If you aren’t paying for the service then the company is certainly not your friend. Even when you paying I would still be cautious. In the beginning, FB was a great way to connect and the community seemed more friendly and united. Now it’s used as a political divider and a cesspool of mis-information. NextDoor has been a positive experience for me but I can see it going they way of FB. Depends on your neighbors I gue…

> Now it’s used as a political divider and a cesspool of mis-information.

As a longtime user of the internet, from the 90s days of Usenet, to Gamefaqs LUEsers, to Something Awful, to Slashdot, to 4chan and to Reddit... public discussion has always been a political divider and a cesspool of misinformation.

I'm not old enough to comment about the "early web" or the days before the "Eternal September". But my understanding about those days were that the early internet discussion boards were also politically divisive and full of misinformation, at least until the userbase understood the nature of online. Its the nature of social networks.

IE: Freshmen in colleges would come in as toxic newbies to the Internet in September. With AOL increasing the number of internet users on 1993, the toxicity of the internet forever grew and it never ended since then. Or so the legend of "Eternal September" goes anyway.

Facebook just brings that environment mainstream.

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Let's be selfish for a moment. Mandating decentralization of these services is probably a net good not only for society (and us, because we'll be the ones employed to do it) by way of distributing more wealth, opportunity and responsibilities to more people.

But it'll also be good from a technical standpoint. We're in desperate need of a wake-up call about the centralized and often legacy, government mandated insecurity of our information infrastructure.

Only by defining a new minimum degree of competence and security for a more distributed infrastructure can we pass through this keyhole without making continuous fraud and theft the new normal.

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The New York times is imploding. They published an attack piece on white people:

"White Nationalism is Destroying the West"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/opinion/sunday/white-nati...

This article features Zuckerberg---a Jew---as if he were a representative of Silicon Valley.

Silicon Valley is not some Jewish project. Jews don't own Silicon Valley.

There is no reason to bring up Yom Kippur---a Jewish holiday---in the context of a story on Silicon Valley.

Religious holidays are not on-topic for an update on the state of Silicon Valley.

The New York Times decided to print absolute nonsense on the Harvey Weinstein story for two straight days: first there was a story from Lena Dunham about blaming all men for the acts of one man, then there was a story from Gwyneth Paltrow about blaming a "way of treating women" for the acts of one man. The New York Times printed absolute nonsense from these two women. It isn't news, it's psychological attacks.

It isn't news, it's psychological attacks.

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I'm no fan of Facebook, but I don't get why they're to blame for Russia's meddling in the election. It's hard to believe that they were aware of what was going on and allowed it to continue because they were making money off of it. The money they were getting was a pittance, all things considered.

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post #4

If you aren’t paying for the service then the company is certainly not your friend. Even when you paying I would still be cautious. In the beginning, FB was a great way to connect and the community seemed more friendly and united. Now it’s used as a political divider and a cesspool of mis-information. NextDoor has been a positive experience for me but I can see it going they way of FB. Depends on your neighbors I gue…

Why is it that folks think that paying for a product somehow fixes this?

You can pay up front for the product and still be part of the product. Look at the game Overwatch, which is exactly the free to play model of gaming (where 20% of the player base is 80% of the revenue) with an upfront fee! People who don't spend lots on loot boxes are there for to provide entertainment and interactivity to those who do. And unlike free-to-play games they pay for this privilege.

A non-gaming example is Nest: they charge for the service and storage but extract unbelievable value in data from video they may never delete even if they refuse to give it to you past a certain date.

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Now that the culture of coastal journalism has become completely insular, it's time to turn on the REAL heretics- those who share almost all of our beliefs. That's all I see here. Silicon Valley is like New York and San Fran, except while sharing most of our social values they disagree with out economics, so they're going to be the next against the wall.

Random example: I wanted to catch up on issues of Lucky Peach magazine, which until it went under combined cool new ideas about cooking (David Chang, Momofuku) with a hint of the old 'zine culture in the form of ridiculously cool photography and unusual graphic design. It's neat stuff. Except it's written almost entirely by and for residents of NYC and San Fran. Every single issue will highlight someone trawling ramen places in the Bronx, or diners by the Bay, or what cool new places are downtown on XXrd and XXst. Even though for instance they all worship Benton's Smoked Bacon, from Tennessee, which one assumes exists somewhere out in the wasteland where you find backwards regressive inbreds.

You can see this regarding YouTube as well. The real "monsters" on YouTube that people are most worried about fighting right now are people who believe in social programs, who want to help the poor and believe all people deserve human rights, but they're people who disagree about the best way to achieve those aims. So the New York Times is regularly writing hit pieces about how YouTubers don't serve the national interest, where you should really spend your money is on coastal print media which you can trust to always have correct opinions.

Note that I didn't vote in the last election, and do not support any major American political party.

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