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Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by fasteo »

Note that this is probably not what you are thinking (low-carb, very-low carb or even keto diets are good for your healthspan).

The lowest quintile in this study were consuming 46,4% of kcal from carbs (that's about 230 gram of carbs for a 2000 kcal total intake). Not even close to low carb by today's standard in the health blogosphere.

The authors make this explicit in the discussion section:

>>> However, the absence of association between low carbohydrate intake (eg, <50% of energy) and health outcomes does not provide support for very low carbohydrate diets. Importantly, a certain amount of carbohydrate is necessary to meet short-term energy demands during physical activity and so moderate intakes (eg, 50–55% of energy) are likely to be more appropriate than either very high or very low carbohydrate intakes.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by 189243234 »

whalesalad wrote: post #2

I’ve been living a ketogenic lifestyle for a few years now. I go in and out once and a while but seeing the “fat is bad” theory thrown out the window with research like this makes it easier to remain committed. The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal. Like 90% of the food my peer group eats are surrounded in carbs. Even for a company-wide lunch in the office: the go-t…

>The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal.

I am pretty sure that isn't conditioning. Eating a burger with no chips is just plain wrong, and the same the other way around as well. When I am eating rice and meat together, if I eat just meat, it doesn't taste good. It is so specific, that there is a specific amount of rice that has to go with the meat. Everyone knows this. That can't possibly be conditioning. People complain of "too little rice", "too much meat" etc. No one could have been conditioned so specifically.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by kaolti »

sjroot wrote: post #9

Can anyone provide a TLDR on what exactly the conclusion of this article is? My experience with a low-carb diet is quite similar to that of @whalesalad, and it remains much more effective than any other diet or a strict exercise regimen.

Dehghan et al. (2017)) found that carbohydrate intake was associated with increased total mortality. By contrast, any (saturated/monounsaturated/polyunsaturated) type of dietary fat reduced the likelihood of dying.

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Post by cko »

> Next, a number of studies have evaluated the effects of specific macronutrients on lifespan, initially in S. cerevisiae (Lin et al., 2002), subsequently in C. elegans (Schulz et al., 2007 and follow-ups), and mice. Out of the latter, two studies in the previous issue of Cell Metabolism have studied this in mice starting at 12 months of age. In regards to the PURE study, most notably, the almost complete removal of carbohydrates (This section of the article does not correspond to the title. In fact it seemed all over the place, then goes on to conclude ‘maybe it’s refined sugars.’

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Post by keymone »

whalesalad wrote: post #2

I’ve been living a ketogenic lifestyle for a few years now. I go in and out once and a while but seeing the “fat is bad” theory thrown out the window with research like this makes it easier to remain committed. The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal. Like 90% of the food my peer group eats are surrounded in carbs. Even for a company-wide lunch in the office: the go-t…

totally agree. when there are no carbs around me - i have zero problems sticking to keto. whenever there's a party and some snacks - i'm in a danger zone unless i brought my own snacks in which case i'm a weirdo.

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Post by smn1234 »

trevyn wrote: post #8

I’ve found eating out socially on keto a big challenge (carbs still look delicious) until I found a hack: unreasonably large portions of salad, covered in salt. Salt is fucking delicious. Add olive oil too if you feel like it.

I drown everything in olive oil. Good, European protected designation of origin (PDO), protected geographical indication (PGI), and traditional specialities guaranteed (TSG) type olive oils. They're delicious. And you get full rather quickly. That feeling lasts. And I'm fairly certain the plant fat is not what's making us jiggly

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Post by miguelrochefort »

whalesalad wrote: post #2

I’ve been living a ketogenic lifestyle for a few years now. I go in and out once and a while but seeing the “fat is bad” theory thrown out the window with research like this makes it easier to remain committed. The trouble comes with the way society has been conditioned to have carbs with every meal. Like 90% of the food my peer group eats are surrounded in carbs. Even for a company-wide lunch in the office: the go-t…

I've been on keto (on and off) about 50% of the time in the past 3 years.

The worst part is not being able to eat/drink at social events, and dehydration.

The best part is never feeling hungry, stable energy levels throughout the day, and not needing to sleep as much.

I also tend to binge a lot when off keto...

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by internetman55 »

fasteo wrote: post #11

Note that this is probably not what you are thinking (low-carb, very-low carb or even keto diets are good for your healthspan). The lowest quintile in this study were consuming 46,4% of kcal from carbs (that's about 230 gram of carbs for a 2000 kcal total intake). Not even close to low carb by today's standard in the health blogosphere. The authors make this explicit in the discussion section: >>> However, the absenc…

That is about what I have been eating naturally (~150-250g carbs daily, pretty much from oats, potatoes, sweet potatoes, dairy, and 1-2 servings of fruit per day).

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Post by toomuchtodo »

smn1234 wrote: post #10
hduwvzvshsuz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You hit the nail on the head for exactly why I couldn't stick with a ketogenic diet. It became too much of a burden on the people I was with to feed just me because everything they wanted was stuff like tacos, pizza, rice dishes, fried dishes, etc. I have an unresearched (by me) theory that the reason we have so many carb heavy diets is due to the fact that carbs are such cheap calories. They were good for surviving…

agreed. I wish ketogenic meal kits and keto-friendly restaurant ratings / reviews / guides / accreditation were more prominent.

Check out the /r/keto sidebar on Reddit. I keep various PDFs in Dropbox of keto options at various fast food establishments. You can always get taco bowls with no tortillas, McDonald's without the buns, a burger without the buns at a burger joint, etc.

For emergencies, I keep a few shaker bottles in my car with protein power already added. I just add water if we go somewhere with no keto options.

Re: Dietary Carbohydrates Impair Healthspan and Promote Mortality

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Post by bigtunacan »

Related; I saw on Hacker News awhile back a really great website that aggregates a lot of this health research and then gives summaries of, "What's the current known truth" based on all of the varying research. They then re-market that data as a service somehow. Anyone on here recall this by chance as I'm no longer able to locate it?
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