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Re: Ask HN: What are your views on India based development agencies?

#11
You need to compete and market based on quality and knowledge, by just price.

I have a competitor of yours trying to get a meeting with me. Their pitch is that I can have 10 programmers at $20/hr each, a 75% savings based on US programmers!

The problem is I want solutions, not man-hours!

Re: Ask HN: What are your views on India based development agencies?

#12

India is a big place. To me that is like saying, "what are your views on development agencies based in the world?"

That is true. However, there are cultural differences in different parts of the world. These differences affect in interaction between groups of people that are not from the same part of the world.

I see this question asking about what it's like working with India-based dev agencies, taking into consideration cultural differences.

It would be just as valid if asked about other parts of the world.

Re: Ask HN: What are your views on India based development agencies?

#13

I have experienced working with two different Indian development teams and both of my experiences were characterized the same: 1) Over-communication to a fault 2) Low code quality I don't know how can you change my perspective, but I would suggest not trying to change the perspective of Indian agencies as a whole - but rather why you are different than the stereotypical Indian agency.

I'm afraid I have to agree; the ones I've worked with have all been characterised by terrible code quality.

Perhaps the key thing is a tighter attitude to specialisation: most Indian (and, for that matter, far east Asian) development teams tend to have a "we can do everything across a billion platforms and techs" approach, where it might be better off concentrating your offering down to a few key techs, and really doubling down on the quality of those.

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#14
I think the problem is is fundamental as the Indian educational system. Having worked in this technology business for 20 years as an engineer, I have a terrible opinion of Indian engineers. They talk a good game, and make it seem like they know what they're doing but then the end result is terrible cold quality and the opinion that the Indian engineers are lazy.

So, you can certainly try to put lipstick on your pig, but we all have 20 years experience with that pig And we know that it's a pig, even if you dress it up.

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#15
Have tried a lot of times ( 8 times to be exact), the only one that worked is now doing his own projects and launches a SAAS. The CEO was involved in every project. Every project took a very long time though and deadlines were not met.

Other experience, estimates are wrong, filling in more hours than actually worked and they always say yes. But what they mean is we can't or don't understand what your mean and we will stall the project.

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#16
post #9

I have experienced working with two different Indian development teams and both of my experiences were characterized the same: 1) Over-communication to a fault 2) Low code quality I don't know how can you change my perspective, but I would suggest not trying to change the perspective of Indian agencies as a whole - but rather why you are different than the stereotypical Indian agency.

What do you mean by over communication? Do you mean that essential communication is repeated without additional effect? Or that unnecessary details are relayed?

Yeah, it's a little hard to explain. Unnecessary details are relayed, very detailed descriptions of even minor things that were accomplished, etc.

Re: Ask HN: What are your views on India based development agencies?

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post #9

I have experienced working with two different Indian development teams and both of my experiences were characterized the same: 1) Over-communication to a fault 2) Low code quality I don't know how can you change my perspective, but I would suggest not trying to change the perspective of Indian agencies as a whole - but rather why you are different than the stereotypical Indian agency.

What do you mean by over communication? Do you mean that essential communication is repeated without additional effect? Or that unnecessary details are relayed?

That moment when you realize that that question was asked to buy 8 to 20 hours of time delay due to timezone differences. Or to make enough volume of text that no one knows all the promises, or so that someone somewhere cancels enough orders accidentally that anything can be delivered.

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#18
I've used large (Wipro/TCS) and small firms, and poor code quality is common amongst them all. What's more apparent is their lack of ability to innovate or think on their feet. If I give them a "familiar" problem to solve, they're generally okay, but anything that requires them to think outside of the box, they tend to overcomplicate and the result is often terrible. Also, I no longer find them to be cost effective, especially when they charge by the day, and can't get things right even on the fourth attempt...

Re: Ask HN: What are your views on India based development agencies?

#20

I have experienced working with two different Indian development teams and both of my experiences were characterized the same: 1) Over-communication to a fault 2) Low code quality I don't know how can you change my perspective, but I would suggest not trying to change the perspective of Indian agencies as a whole - but rather why you are different than the stereotypical Indian agency.

Thanks, Jason.

1) To address the over-communication we have stopped working on fixed price projects, and rather worked with customers as their extended team

2) We as a group of individuals are trying hard to change this perspective. Our Computer Science education needs to be blamed as well

3)I have created a very interesting slide on our deck https://goo.gl/5jvN6R

Cheers

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