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Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Post by dithering »

Brakenshire wrote: post #98
mentallimits wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BBC has a strong left wing bias. This doesn't come through so much in how they report mainstream political news but in the stories they choose to run on their website. A good example is the choice of stories for the "Society" section.

The BBC is also accused of having a right wing bias by the left. The 'Society' section appears to just be a view on the homepage with a few articles at a time, one of the things you can add or remove from the customizable homepage, not a cohesive category. These are the three articles on there at the moment: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/63ca22ff-b580-4fe7-8796-b... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/5d33c36d-cd…

BBC is biased towards the status quo. Very, very broadly it's position is economic-right social-left, which is pretty much Official Government Worldview, whatever the government, these days.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

#102

Post by heavenlyhash »

cerved wrote: post #86

Someone in r/Sweden who works in the field pointed out the severe lack of credibility of the researcher who published this finding so do your due diligence and check your sources before jumping to conclusions

... What on earth is going on in r/Sweden? There's some real sludge being thrown around in there. It's about par with 4chan's /b. Somehow I don't think that reddit is a very normal sample of the culture of Sweden.

To put it gently... cough Where does r/Sweden get its credibility from?

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Post by nostromo123 »

eksemplar wrote: post #81
Yetanfou wrote: post #62

Placed in the perspective of the current political climate in Sweden I can not be but sceptic against research which tries to make islam part of Sweden's history. While the article is published by the BBC, the research - for what it is - was done in Uppsala. That Vikings travelled to islamic countries is known. That they traded with them - willingly or unwillingly - is also known. They did the same with many other cu…

The article is based on research done by an archeologist at a university who wasn't looking for evidence of Arabic culture. The research hasn't yet concluded anything. What do you base your statement on? Your gut?

"archeologist at a university who wasn't looking for evidence of Arabic culture"

What evidence is there for this statement, if I may play devil's advocate for a moment?

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

#104

Post by nostromo123 »

demonshalo wrote: post #88
eksemplar wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is based on research done by an archeologist at a university who wasn't looking for evidence of Arabic culture. The research hasn't yet concluded anything. What do you base your statement on? Your gut?

As a Swede I can tell you that whatever research comes out of these institutions will be biased. These institutions suffer to a large degree of self-hatred due to some nasty shit that they've contributed to over the years. For that reason, they try to always publish crap like in order to champion diversity and deny their vicious history. It's basically like how Germans react to their history with Hitler. Merkel had n…

You are right, despite the downvotes.

Ironically, Hitler's Germany had many common ties with Islam, an aspect that now is conveniently swept under the carpet. A grotesque side effect of this is that the "diverse" society Germany is getting with the increase in migration from Muslim countries comes with a sharp increase in antisemitism. The migrants are often very open about their opinions regarding Jews and admiration for Hitler.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Post by Brakenshire »

demonshalo wrote: post #88
eksemplar wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is based on research done by an archeologist at a university who wasn't looking for evidence of Arabic culture. The research hasn't yet concluded anything. What do you base your statement on? Your gut?

As a Swede I can tell you that whatever research comes out of these institutions will be biased. These institutions suffer to a large degree of self-hatred due to some nasty shit that they've contributed to over the years. For that reason, they try to always publish crap like in order to champion diversity and deny their vicious history. It's basically like how Germans react to their history with Hitler. Merkel had n…

What is there to be credible or otherwise about? It's a geometric pattern which symbolizes Ali (of Shia) and the Islamic god, in a piece of fabric traded to the Vikings. The research even says it was likely an incorrect copy done by a second party of the original design from the Islamic world. That is interesting in the context of trade and cultural links, but is in itself exceptionally uncontroversial.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

#106

Post by Brakenshire »

diminish wrote: post #85
rusk wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That all sounds a bit far fetched if you ask me. A more likely explanation is trade and cultural exchange [EDIT] and expropriation. The Vikings roamed far and wide [0] [1], and Islam even made it as far as Spain at one stage [2] As far as they went though they probably never got as far as East Asia where they could have encountered Buddhism. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings#Viking_Age [1] https://en.wikipedi…

Does "cultural exchange" include looting and pillage? It may seem hard to accept nationalistically for Scandinavians but most Vikings stuff in tombs are the result of not a production economy.

Bloody Scandinavian political correctness, trying to avoid offending the Vikings!

I've read that Vikings were kind of half traders, half raiders. It was a culture of 'bringing back the spoils', I think the word was leader was actually something equivalent to 'ring-giver', and the bond of allegiance was made on that basis. So I suppose you could accomplish that goal in a variety of ways, depending on the circumstances, size of the group, access to weapons, or information, and so on.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Post by jlebrech »

dithering wrote: post #101
Brakenshire wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BBC is also accused of having a right wing bias by the left. The 'Society' section appears to just be a view on the homepage with a few articles at a time, one of the things you can add or remove from the customizable homepage, not a cohesive category. These are the three articles on there at the moment: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/63ca22ff-b580-4fe7-8796-b... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/5d33c36d-cd…

BBC is biased towards the status quo. Very, very broadly it's position is economic-right social-left, which is pretty much Official Government Worldview, whatever the government, these days.

I think you nailed it.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Post by dagw »

Brakenshire wrote: post #106
diminish wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "cultural exchange" include looting and pillage? It may seem hard to accept nationalistically for Scandinavians but most Vikings stuff in tombs are the result of not a production economy.

Bloody Scandinavian political correctness, trying to avoid offending the Vikings! I've read that Vikings were kind of half traders, half raiders. It was a culture of 'bringing back the spoils', I think the word was leader was actually something equivalent to 'ring-giver', and the bond of allegiance was made on that basis. So I suppose you could accomplish that goal in a variety of ways, depending on the circumstances…

I've read Vikings were kind of half traders, half raiders,

Also worth remembering the "the vikings" where not some homogeneous society. The term covers a large number of different groups from different countries and different periods of history. Some traded, some looted, some went west, some went east etc.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

#109

Post by pbhjpbhj »

Brakenshire wrote: post #98
mentallimits wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BBC has a strong left wing bias. This doesn't come through so much in how they report mainstream political news but in the stories they choose to run on their website. A good example is the choice of stories for the "Society" section.

The BBC is also accused of having a right wing bias by the left. The 'Society' section appears to just be a view on the homepage with a few articles at a time, one of the things you can add or remove from the customizable homepage, not a cohesive category. These are the three articles on there at the moment: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/63ca22ff-b580-4fe7-8796-b... http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/5d33c36d-cd…

It can have both, it's not a homogenous mass. Various directors, separated program production, etc..
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