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Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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I believe that the Vikings also raided cities in Islamic Spain. Could have been something they stole and made clothes of it.

They didn't just rape and pillage, as is popularly assumed; they settled and traded as well. It's not improbable that they'd buy exotic clothing, especially the ornate kind worn for various events or ceremonies.

They were probably more civilized than we think; I mean, the level of trade with the rest of the world is certainly the biggest proof we have.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Norse were trading and raiding all over the rivers of eastern Europe, down into the Black Sea, and likewise along the Atlantic seaboard into the Mediterranean. It would be profoundly weird if some items of Islamic provenance did not make their way into grave goods and hoards in Scandinavia.

Almost every King Kyiv/ Kyiv Rus was a Viking. The last Viking King of Norway was also the last King of Kyiv from what I understand.

They fought with the Turks for 100's of years. It wouldn't surprise me if this clothing was not just something they came across on a raid or purchased.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Robust trade, or spoils of conquest/pillaging. In either case, it's not totally surprising that good from half a world away would end up in some viking longhouse.

It's doubtful they were especially more keen on raiding and pillaging than other cultures of the time. They were some of the last pagans of Europe and they didn't shy away from raiding churches and monasteries. Monks were almost the only people who could write about it, and their bias influences their accounts. It's not that vikings were especially nice and peaceable people but neither was anyone then.

definitely. but they seemed to be one of the most well-traveled (as an ethnicity), hence why they may have acquired objects from distant lands more easily than others. those things could have come into posession by visiting (either peacefully or forefully) less distant lands that traded with more distant lands for those objects.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Well, why don't they think that Vikings simply seen these as a decoration, not understanding what they mean? That happens in much much more recent times. Late Russian ex-foreign minister, and ex-prime minister Primakov, who is Arab states specialist and reads Arabic scripts very well, once saw a garment with 'No god except Allah...' on Patriarch of Russia Alexy II, shocking him because similar ritual garments were used by the Orthodox church for centuries - with inscriptions on the cloth seen simply as decorations - cloth was by tradition bought in Syria. Story was from ca. 1995.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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post #19

Sceptical that this means that there were Muslim Vikings. Arabic script was commonly used throughout medieval Iberia as decoration, often without any meaningful words, just Arabic letters strung together for aesthetic effect. Wouldn’t surprise me if something similar was going on here, where Iranian weavers were simply mass producing cloth for export with Ali and Allah embroidered as decoration. Keep in mind that Vik…

Wow, talk about conjecture! If they found these artifacts in their graves, the closes thing to truth is that they were Muslims, nothing else.

and that would explain all the raiding and pillaging and terrorizing done by Vikings.

I don't think they thought this through. BBC, lol

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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Sceptical that this means that there were Muslim Vikings. Arabic script was commonly used throughout medieval Iberia as decoration, often without any meaningful words, just Arabic letters strung together for aesthetic effect. Wouldn’t surprise me if something similar was going on here, where Iranian weavers were simply mass producing cloth for export with Ali and Allah embroidered as decoration. Keep in mind that Vik…

> "We know from other Viking tomb > excavations that DNA analysis has > shown some of the people buried in > them originated from places like > Persia, where Islam was very dominant Which is also not proof-positive that there were Muslim Vikings, but as we know there were Persian Vikings, and as the name Allah appears as decoration, it does start to see pretty likely, no?

> Persia, where Islam was very dominant

Was that true at the time? They were certainly ruled by a caliphate, but other religions survive in Persia till this day so I wouldn't be surprised if the process took centuries. There also appears to be some repression of Persian people after. That Viking could of also been a refugee of the islamification process or the various power struggles in the region at the time.

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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post #23

This makes me think of the movie the 13th warrior[0] where a warrior from Baghdad fights along side Vikings [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_13th_Warrior

Which is a third-hand adaptation of real-life travels of Muslim scholars through the Rus lands in this time period.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Rustah

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Fadlan

Re: Arabic characters found woven into burial costumes from Viking boat graves

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post #23

This makes me think of the movie the 13th warrior[0] where a warrior from Baghdad fights along side Vikings [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_13th_Warrior

The TV show Vikings shows one Viking family around 1100? traveling to Arab lands and picking up an East Asian female along the way and being the first ones to attack England, heavily fictionalized.
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