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Dropbox taking entire building in Mission Bay – biggest lease in city history

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Re: Dropbox taking entire building in Mission Bay – biggest lease in city history

#41

This is tangential, and I'm not a designer so this is just one dev's opinion, but I found Dropbox's latest rebrand (dropbox.design) to be a bizarre departure for them. It was so off the wall I just assumed it was some sort of parody site until I realized it was official. I'm in no place to determine if it's "good" or "bad", but it's certainly an...interesting direction, if nothing else.

It stands out if nothing else.

Re: Dropbox taking entire building in Mission Bay – biggest lease in city history

#42

This is just a file sync. A good one. But 1500 employees for that? This goes way beyond my imagination.

I agree it seems weird.

Presumably relatively few of those people are really technical. The rest would be handling DMCA requests, support calls, enterprise sales, etc.

Still seems like a lot of people. I think that a lot of the time, middle management argue for hiring staff because having lots of reports gives you credibility -> seniority -> more money. Sure, it reduces profits, but if the majority of your remuneration is salary then that doesn't matter.

Re: Dropbox taking entire building in Mission Bay – biggest lease in city history

#43

This is just a file sync. A good one. But 1500 employees for that? This goes way beyond my imagination.

it is an entreprise focused saas operation. 1500, most of them in sales or sales support, is justifiable.

Re: Dropbox taking entire building in Mission Bay – biggest lease in city history

#44

Naive question, but why would large companies favor leasing instead of just outright purchasing the property? It seems that when the terms of the lease are up, the leasing company has almost unlimited leverage in the next negotiation (unless the tenant company doesn't mind relocating all of its employees).

There can be tax advantages to having your office space show up as an operating expense rather than a capital expenditure.

Re: Dropbox taking entire building in Mission Bay – biggest lease in city history

#46

This is tangential, and I'm not a designer so this is just one dev's opinion, but I found Dropbox's latest rebrand (dropbox.design) to be a bizarre departure for them. It was so off the wall I just assumed it was some sort of parody site until I realized it was official. I'm in no place to determine if it's "good" or "bad", but it's certainly an...interesting direction, if nothing else.

It gave me a strong vibe of 80thies. Andy Warhol definitely had the influence on those chaps.

Re: Dropbox taking entire building in Mission Bay – biggest lease in city history

#49

Naive question, but why would large companies favor leasing instead of just outright purchasing the property? It seems that when the terms of the lease are up, the leasing company has almost unlimited leverage in the next negotiation (unless the tenant company doesn't mind relocating all of its employees).

I worked at a larger company and I heard they sold their property and leased it back from them. I was told it was a liquidity thing. I imagine it lets you focus on your company and lets you be more flexible if you do need to upgrade or downgrade.

When they lease a space, it's a contract, so they could put in favorable language for renewing the lease. Guinness brewery famously has a 9,000 year lease paying only £45 annually.

Re: Dropbox taking entire building in Mission Bay – biggest lease in city history

#50

Naive question, but why would large companies favor leasing instead of just outright purchasing the property? It seems that when the terms of the lease are up, the leasing company has almost unlimited leverage in the next negotiation (unless the tenant company doesn't mind relocating all of its employees).

Buying a chunk of property is very cash expensive for a growth company.

If you think about it - do you want to invest in 'real estate' or your 'high growth business'. And buildings are very expensive so it would be a huge amount of cash. And cash-flow is always an issue in a growth company.

Of course, it would mostly be financed with a mortgage, but then you get into a weird balance sheet situation - massive asset, and if the company folds, or wants to move, what do you do with it? It's hard to just 'flip' a building. Do they want to 'manage a property' in that 'old area they used to be in'?

Aside from the operational/cash flow issues, it wonks up the companies metrics as well. This 'big ball of assets' can distort all the reporting metrics.

Companies really don't want to 'own' anything unless it's a totally core thing to their experience.

Long-term leases can be negotiated with future pricing in mind.

Think Hotels: Four Seasons and Fairmont don't even own most of their hotels! They get big, long-term funds (think Saudi sovereign funds) to buy the real estate, and then sing a super long term lease-deals and then the hotel is really just an 'operating company' with those physical asset off the balance sheet.

'Owning property' is usually a fundamentally different business than whatever is going on inside the buildings.

If you are a 'growth' company, your cash is almost always better used in your business.

If you are a 'massive fund' (or a bank) that needs to park gazillions of dollars around the world long-term and you want fairly low risk but some kind of return - you buy property.

Is one way to look at it.

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