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The Depression Thing

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Re: The Depression Thing

#31
If we're supposed to be happy all the time, why are there so many sad songs?

Seriously though it irritates me how people have been brainwashed to think depression is somehow abnormal.

Here's something I've learned in life: Depression exists for a reason.

There have been times in my life that I've been very depressed. Sometimes it was due to some event that happened but more often it was pretty random.

During these periods, I've often been very creative or it has done something else that I didn't immediately recognize as a benefit at the time. Yes, it was painful. But life isn't supposed to be all roses.

What I do think is wrong is taking (and getting hooked on) anti-depressants. A lot of my friends take them -- usually in response to a depression and now they've been taking them ever since. Unless you suffer from a very severe form of depression, I think anti-depressants do more harm over the long term than good, and many doctors of course want to keep their patients on them so it gives them an excuse to have an office visit. There's a lot of abuse, because there's a lot of money to be made trying to make people happy.

In my experience, anti-depressants do not make you happy. They make you numb, and (at least for me) they destroy your sex life. What kind of life is that?

I've come to the realization of acceptance. There's only so much I can control in my life, and that includes all the complicated chemicals swirling around in my head that are controlling my emotions. You start to realize that control and free-will is mostly illusionary, how you feel and what that does to you is more like a partnership with you and your body. There are of course things you can do but if your brain wants to make you depressed, you're going to be depressed and go through that experience. I don't think it wouldn't be as prevelant if it didn't serve some higher purpose, and I try to keep that in mind whenever I find myself depressed.

Re: The Depression Thing

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some psychologists reject any hint of medical modal, and say it's only social factors. (that's not what I think. But these psychologists are reasonably common.)

Ok, citation needed on that one. Some crackpots think that way, sure, but "reasonably common"?

there's a whole organisation for them in the UK.

All the "mad in america" stuff: https://www.madinamerica.com/about-us/

> one that emphasizes psychosocial care, and de-emphasizes the use of psychiatric medications, particularly over the long-term.

https://twitter.com/ClinpsychLucy/status/918029768951500801

> It's not about 'illness.' It's about being human. http://peerlyhuman.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/why-i-oppose-world... … #WorldMentalHealthDay #WMHD17

https://twitter.com/Shrink_at_Large/status/91765521415652966...

> on World Mental Health Day, Let's remember structural inequalities and oppressions are behind many/most mental health problems

https://twitter.com/AnneCooke14

https://twitter.com/DrDJWilde

https://twitter.com/peterkinderman

etc etc.

Re: The Depression Thing

#35

If we're supposed to be happy all the time, why are there so many sad songs? Seriously though it irritates me how people have been brainwashed to think depression is somehow abnormal. Here's something I've learned in life: Depression exists for a reason. There have been times in my life that I've been very depressed. Sometimes it was due to some event that happened but more often it was pretty random. During these pe…

It's pretty sad when my friend tells me his doctor diagnosed him with a lack of something in his brain where only way to go is anti depressants for the rest of his life. He didn't even suggest aerobic exercise or diet, nope straight to prescription drugs. I'm not a doctor but based on my experience with depression and health, lifeStyle is so much more important than drugs no matter which disease you have or don't have

Re: The Depression Thing

#36

Cutting gluten out of my life basically "cured" my depression, which sounds crazy, since it is just something I'm eating... I'm not allergic, but probably intolerant. I ate wheat for most of my life. I'm pretty sure it is related to inflammation, and how eating wheat products probably screwed my digestion up. I also rarely get sick anymore. Not trying to suggest that medicine, therapy, etc. does or does not work, jus…

It's crazy, isn't it? Cutting gluten has become somewhat of a meme, but a meme repeated enough times must have some kind of truth to it.

I've self diagnosed myself to a combination of depression/cyclothymia/bipolar disorder. Basically, I've been working at 50% potential, on a good day, for the past 10 years.

Interested in the science behind ketogenic diets, I've tried to cut all grains and processed food for many month-long stretches, and I've always noticed my brain being sharper, and moving farther and farther away from the "black dog". But eventually I get back in the trap and it's extremely hard to pull myself up again — impossibly hard cutting grains with Italian friends and family.

Keto probably isn't the solution, but I'm more and more convinced the key lies in our gut, not in our brain chemistry.

EDIT: depression is a common modern "disease", and in my ignorant opinion, I'm convinced there's two types of depression:

You might be depressed if your life is in the shitter, and there's no sane way of getting out of it. Think bad marriage or crippling loneliness.

You might also be depressed because your chemistry isn't optimal, because of what you eat or bad health.

I believe most modern depression is of the latter type, and in both cases medication treats the symptoms, not the actual cause. We need to do more work on this.

Again, this is my personal opinion, and I might be talking out of my arse.

Re: The Depression Thing

#37

I was diagnosed with "major depression" when I was 14, did the medication and therapy thing for a bit but the medication made me a zombie. Therapy helped me learn to cope a little better, but I was never "cured" of my depression. My 20s have been pretty bad, but in the last year and a half I've lost 100+lbs and have been running and lifting. It turns out the common sense advice to depression was really what I needed…

People who can just sleep, diet and exercise and the depression simply goes away, that's not real major depression. I really hate how people spread this stuff so condescendingly. No, it might have worked for you, but it does not work for millions of people who suffer from it.

Re: The Depression Thing

#38

I was diagnosed with "major depression" when I was 14, did the medication and therapy thing for a bit but the medication made me a zombie. Therapy helped me learn to cope a little better, but I was never "cured" of my depression. My 20s have been pretty bad, but in the last year and a half I've lost 100+lbs and have been running and lifting. It turns out the common sense advice to depression was really what I needed…

Yup same here. Clinical depression in high school, meds, therapy, suicide watch the whole shebang. Fun times, can’t remember two years of my life.

So far the only thing that’s actually worked has been staying busy/productive/creative, good nutrition, exercise etc.

Everyone always tells me I’m an insensitive dick when i suggest getting off their ass and doing stuff to treat their depression. But fuck it, that shit works. Yes it’s hard to get started and your depression makes it even harder, but that is literally irrelevant, you gotta do it anyway.

And yes dear downvoters, I will never stop saying this: Changing your lifestyle to treat depression works. If enduring your downvotes helps me get the message to at least 1 person, worth it.

And to the common criticism that "Oh you just had teenage depression that doesn't count". The scars all over my body that I get to look at for the rest of my life disagree with your "just".

Re: The Depression Thing

#39

If we're supposed to be happy all the time, why are there so many sad songs? Seriously though it irritates me how people have been brainwashed to think depression is somehow abnormal. Here's something I've learned in life: Depression exists for a reason. There have been times in my life that I've been very depressed. Sometimes it was due to some event that happened but more often it was pretty random. During these pe…

Please, don't equate being sad with being depressed, sadness is a normal part of the life, feeling miserable every waking moment is not.

Re: The Depression Thing

#40

If we're supposed to be happy all the time, why are there so many sad songs? Seriously though it irritates me how people have been brainwashed to think depression is somehow abnormal. Here's something I've learned in life: Depression exists for a reason. There have been times in my life that I've been very depressed. Sometimes it was due to some event that happened but more often it was pretty random. During these pe…

It's pretty sad when my friend tells me his doctor diagnosed him with a lack of something in his brain where only way to go is anti depressants for the rest of his life. He didn't even suggest aerobic exercise or diet, nope straight to prescription drugs. I'm not a doctor but based on my experience with depression and health, lifeStyle is so much more important than drugs no matter which disease you have or don't hav…

What your friend deserves is evidence based treatment. For depression that's a talking therapy (CBT), maybe combined with meds.

The evidence for exercise as a treatment for depression is poor.

http://www.cochrane.org/CD004366/DEPRESSN_exercise-for-depre...

> Exercise is moderately more effective than no therapy for reducing symptoms of depression.

> Exercise is no more effective than antidepressants for reducing symptoms of depression, although this conclusion is based on a small number of studies.

> Exercise is no more effective than psychological therapies for reducing symptoms of depression, although this conclusion is based on small number of studies.

> The reviewers also note that when only high-quality studies were included, the difference between exercise and no therapy is less conclusive.

> Attendance rates for exercise treatments ranged from 50% to 100%.

> The evidence about whether exercise for depression improves quality of life is inconclusive.

this line, and the last line, are important:

> The reviewers also note that when only high-quality studies were included, the difference between exercise and no therapy is less conclusive.

> The evidence about whether exercise for depression improves quality of life is inconclusive.

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