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Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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I think that some people don't like the Spotify Discover Weekly because they don't want to admit that they like crappy music. Its kind of like when you hear your voice on a recording, you're like... "do I really sound like that?"

Just face it, the algorithm has you pegged.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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I spent quite a bit of time thinking about the recommendation algorithm and (after falling into a death metal hole I can't seem to escape on Spotify) I came to the conclusion that their analysis of the audio content of the song is way too shallow. You listen to songs because they have a common harmonic structure, or rythm, but not necessarily the same spectrum. That's why a metal fan might dig a cover of Metallica by Iron Horse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c7bISLhVl8

Collaborative filtering seem to be a much bigger contributor to the recommendation right now than objective factors about a song itself.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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I think that some people don't like the Spotify Discover Weekly because they don't want to admit that they like crappy music. Its kind of like when you hear your voice on a recording, you're like... "do I really sound like that?" Just face it, the algorithm has you pegged.

I don't think I'm above liking anything.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

#144

If there is at least one song that I like in Discover Weekly, then I consider it to be a good mix. However, this happens once a month at best. After reading the article and all three methods for recommendations, I cannot understand how on Earth it comes up with its suggestions. Do I feed it bad data? Does it not take into account the relative "weight" of a particular track, i.e. my preference to listen to it multiple…

I don't know, I have friends who listen to some music I like, but lots of music I don't. If it's trying to recommend by that, it's going to miss a lot. And even within my own listening, there's plenty of bands where I like one song, but hate the rest of the album. There's bands where I'm massive fans of certain albums, but only like one song on others. Music's a weird one. And taste changes. Last night I was listenin…

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Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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In case you didn't know, Spotify categorizes music into genres behind the scenes. You can use this site to find out what genres your favorite artists are categorized as: http://everynoise.com/engenremap.html You can use this information to then check out Spotify's auto-generated playlists for each genre. They have at least three types for each one: "The Sound of ", containing definitive representation of the genre, "…

I gave this trick a try, but only "The Sound of ..." playlists appear in my searches.

Usually on the "Sound of.." playlist there is a link to the Pulse and Edge in the description. Otherwise the genre might be too obscure and a playlist for it not generated. Also, the "Sound of" playlists are stored under the "Sounds of Spotify" account, while the pulse and edge under "Particle Detector", so you might try searching directly in that profile.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

#146

I think that some people don't like the Spotify Discover Weekly because they don't want to admit that they like crappy music. Its kind of like when you hear your voice on a recording, you're like... "do I really sound like that?" Just face it, the algorithm has you pegged.

Troll

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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post #119

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There's a way to consume Discover Weekly as a station instead of a playlist. ;)

How exactly? — Ah, figured it out: - Go to the DW playlist - Click the "..." options button - Then to "Go to Playlist Radio" - "Follow" the DW playlist radio - You can now up/downvote songs

Wow, what a great user experience.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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I find the premise fascinating because of how bad the Discover Weekly recommendations were when I was looking for a replacement for Rdio. Rdio did a great job of suggesting new music but with Spotify I found myself constantly skipping tracks – combined with not having a way to play album tracks in order[1] I found no justification for using, much less paying for the service.

1. Yes, they claim to offer that for paid subscribers. As a former paid subscriber I can conclude only that they either lack a QA department or I ended up in the A/B bucket from hell.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

#149
post #48

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Would you please stop reminding me how much better Rdio was :(

Nobody understands when I complain about losing Rdio (which is often), it was sooooo much better and nobody knew/cared.

Tell me about it. A large part of the community we had at rdio used to meet at in a post-rdio slack channel after the service went down. For months we discussed alternatives and how mediocre and barebones they were compared to rdio. Most of them, including me, settled for Spotify, but the community is pretty much gone.

On the other it led me to double down on my purchased offline music collection, which I already maintained long before rdio.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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post #148

I find the premise fascinating because of how bad the Discover Weekly recommendations were when I was looking for a replacement for Rdio. Rdio did a great job of suggesting new music but with Spotify I found myself constantly skipping tracks – combined with not having a way to play album tracks in order[1] I found no justification for using, much less paying for the service. 1. Yes, they claim to offer that for paid…

It's really inconsistent - sometimes I add pretty much every single track from the discover weekly, and sometimes it's just a stream of garbage for multiple weeks straight. It also needs some time to adjust for your tastes - I got decent compilations only like 1 month in.
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