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Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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They're not anywhere near as last.fm's recommendations.

In my experience they got pretty close to Pandora's recommendations already, which were excellent.

last.fm for me just recommended the next big artist in the same category. Often their music styles were still obviously different and the recommendation rather put me off. People that are hooked by the complexity, details and perfectionism in "Nightfall in Middle-Earth" won't necessarily like Manowar.

I recently got one Spotify recommendation that lead me into listening through a band's full catalogue and getting tickets for their show two weeks later (Insomnium, btw). It also dug out a song that I liked in primary school but completely forgot about. They discovered that I like cheezy metal covers of 80s pop songs and add one by some obscure band to my list every now and then. I'd say my experience was often pretty accurate.

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Discover Weekly works really well for me. It surfaces a lot of music I've forgotten about and for the most part provides an interesting collection to listen to. Having said that, I have a very eclectic taste in music, so it's probably harder to hit on things I won't like. My process is to try to listen to it several times through and then pick out the stand out tracks once everything has had a chance to grow on me. O…

Wrt fear of sending signals, I feel the same. Also, I have a young daughter who often asks me to play music in the car or Google Home and those affect my recommendations. I wish Spotify had some switch I could turn on to temporarily ignore anything I did until I switched it back off.

What you're after is what they call 'private listening' or 'private session': https://support.spotify.com/cz/using_spotify/the_basics/how-...

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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Discover Weekly works well enough for me - I do wish I could exclude devices from influencing that playlist as what I listen while gaming on PS4 is completely different from the rest of the day. It also seems to have a bias towards “big” commercial releases.

Spotify’s “intelligence” in general is a huge let down though. Radio stations are extremely limited - more like 15-song static playlists indefinitely on repeat! It annoys me to no end, same for daily mixes. I end up listening to the same songs over and over and over and over again. Maybe that’s what makes them the most money?

Last.fm was amazing at finding me new music I liked. Rdio was amazing at.. radio :D I used to go for months on the same station. I miss both a lot, and occasionally I still use last.fm or everynoise.com to generate better playlists for Spotify.

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With all that AI excitement Spotify, Google Play Music and Apple Music misserably fail at generating good musical recomendations. At least for me. Spotify Discover Weekly was no different for me when I still used Spotify (six months ago). Not only it is not personalized at all it is also quite lame. I am doing enough to seed - following enough artists, genres, liking album, subscribing to playlists but the quality of recomendations is mediocre at least.

For example at the moment Apple Music is suggesting to me four Wednesday playlist - all heave metal the genre I never liked and listened to. Also two artist spotlights - Jeff Chang and Danny Chan. Yes I have Japanesese account but this is Cantopop and Taiwanese crooner - so a little off the map especially that I do not enjoy pop music at all especially Asian. Some other examples are what I call comin denominators. Yes I follow lots of jazz but Frank Sinatra is not jazz music, nor Tony Benett. etc...

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Discover Weekly is weird. For the longest time it kept recommending Finish music (roughly 30% of all recommendations), I'm from Sweden and barely ever listen from anything from Finland (or Sweden for that matter).

They have a ridiculous bias towards covers. I bet I've been recommended 50 (I wish that was an exaggeration) version of the Gladiator theme ('now we are free'). And they are all terribly bad (as in blood coming out of my ears bad). I am genuinely ashamed that someone thought that it would be a good idea to submit it to spotify - and if so how spotify could recommend it to anyone, there is no way spotify could have gotten any indication that anyone has ever liked any of those versions of that song. Similarly I get lots of game of throne covers, and now Despacito covers (never listened to that song in any variant on spotify, on purpose at least).

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A curious side effect of Discover Weekly is that it sometimes influences what I listen to, i.e. I'm afraid to listen to a song in a particular genre because I don't want Disover Weekly to get the wrong idea. But then again, maybe Discover Weekly knows me better than I do.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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They're not anywhere near as last.fm's recommendations.

In my experience they got pretty close to Pandora's recommendations already, which were excellent. last.fm for me just recommended the next big artist in the same category. Often their music styles were still obviously different and the recommendation rather put me off. People that are hooked by the complexity, details and perfectionism in "Nightfall in Middle-Earth" won't necessarily like Manowar. I recently got one…

Thanks, that is one of my main gripes with most recommendation engines, and since you like metal, the examples really resonated with me. For me, it was Wardruna - an ambienty, folky acoustic group. Listeners often also like the "typical" viking metal bands, but damn, if I want something like Wardruna, I do not want death metal singing about the same topics, I want, say, Forndom. The same often happened in electronic music as well: if I listened to 5 relatively unknown psytrance songs I liked because they have a nice balance of melodies layered with very distinct synth sounds, then no, I don't want to liten to David Guetta next, because that is also trance-like.

In other words: yes, last.fm's recommendation was much too much based on "customers also liked", which helps in a lot of cases, but so often it horribly fails ("Customers who bought The Martian on Blu-Ray also bought this asthma medication because chance happens. Wanna try it out?").

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Discover Weekly is weird. For the longest time it kept recommending Finish music (roughly 30% of all recommendations), I'm from Sweden and barely ever listen from anything from Finland (or Sweden for that matter). They have a ridiculous bias towards covers. I bet I've been recommended 50 (I wish that was an exaggeration) version of the Gladiator theme ('now we are free'). And they are all terribly bad (as in blood co…

I’m from Sweden too and I always get at least 2 german/danish songs in my discover weekly and I hate it.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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Sometimes I wish Spotify added a bit more 'noise' to their recommendations, so to speak. If I don't listen to much music except Discover Weekly for a few weeks, I (subjectively) find that what's recommended to me more or less sounds the same after a while. Either they are afraid to insert new things that stray too far from an optimal recommendation or they forget too much of my listening history.

Re: Spotify’s Discover Weekly: How machine learning finds new music

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Sometimes I wish Spotify added a bit more 'noise' to their recommendations, so to speak. If I don't listen to much music except Discover Weekly for a few weeks, I (subjectively) find that what's recommended to me more or less sounds the same after a while. Either they are afraid to insert new things that stray too far from an optimal recommendation or they forget too much of my listening history.

So the dreaded filter bubble also is an issue for Spotify ;)
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