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Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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Post by mixedCase »

msie wrote: post #89
holtalanm wrote: post #47

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>Yes you can compile and install your own software, but AFAIK, you have to pay a yearly fee for the privilege of doing so Yes. And you have to own one of their overpriced computers too.

Really tired of this argument. Do you really expect to do software development with little to no investment in software and hardware? Even if you are just developing for Android you need to buy a PC and an Android device. If you want to test Android software on a PC be prepared to spend money to get a machine powerful enough to run Android emulators at a tolerable speed.

This a bit of a ridiculous response. If I'm developing for Android I can use a PC of my choice using Windows, Mac or Linux. Android emulators run acceptably fast with KVM even on low end PCs.

I have no interest in Mac hardware, it is stupidly overpriced for what it offers and what I need it to; and what I need it for it's bad at: Running Linux well.

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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Post by bobwaycott »

Larrikin wrote: post #61
bobwaycott wrote: post #57

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Your average end user who requires things to be simple is never going to install their own apps outside the approved, simple channels.

There are multiple thriving app stores in the global android market

You are not replying to my meaning or intention. The context of the discussion was clear. You’ve taken it in a wholly different direction.

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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Post by freehunter »

fjksksvdjsjd wrote: post #99
freehunter wrote: post #98

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Well it's terrible for consumers that Intel charges money for their processors too, but such is capitalism.

But, it’s really not that terrible. Intel has plenty of competition; if you just need “a computer” you can get a rpi for $25. Realistically there’s no way to buy digital video without also fucking yourself into a walled garden that restricts your use of your own licensed content. There is no real competition there for the experience people want—video they can play on whatever they want to, whenever.

If a $25 Raspberry Pi is in the same league as a full Intel computer, surely a DVD is in the same league as renting a movie on iTunes.

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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Post by dredmorbius »

visarga wrote: post #75
Terr_ wrote: post #31

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A big problem is that once being a bulk attention merchant isn't appealing, they'll double-down on finding ways to creepily invade your privacy, profile you, and resell that profile to companies you'd rather didn't have your information.

We need a browser that is more private than what we have today. Something to hide the IP and separate online identities on various sites, and monitor the data being sent out not to contain your personal information, even if it was sent by your own mistake (like, referencing your secret reddit account on your public name email). Privacy has similarities to hygiene. We have learned, through a lot of suffering, the impo…

I'd go a step further and state unequivocably that privacy is hygiene.

Hygiene is about preserving the health of a system, and violating principles of privacy endanger the health of social intercourse.

This is part of a large set of dynamics associated with technology in that there are systemic side-effects of any number of technologies which affect overall systemic health. The emergence of and/or management of these is itself a major mode of technological mechanisms.

http://www.etymonline.com/word/hygiene

Re: Google's $19B Black Box Is Worrying Investors

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Post by KKKKkkkk1 »

mankash666 wrote: post #2

It's rather sad that Google needs to pay Android makers a fee for installing it's apps, given how Google gives away source code that makes Android exist in the first place. On the contrary, Apple's ecosystem is completely closed, app cut fairly high and non-negotiable at 30% and app store rejections arbitrary at best and blatantly anti competitive at worst. In the name of user centricity, their platform places arbitr…

What does Apple have to do with Google's antitrust trouble? Google was fined for abusing its monopolistic position in the search-engine market. Apple does not have a monopolistic position in any market.

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Post by fjksksvdjsjd »

freehunter wrote: post #113
fjksksvdjsjd wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, it’s really not that terrible. Intel has plenty of competition; if you just need “a computer” you can get a rpi for $25. Realistically there’s no way to buy digital video without also fucking yourself into a walled garden that restricts your use of your own licensed content. There is no real competition there for the experience people want—video they can play on whatever they want to, whenever.

If a $25 Raspberry Pi is in the same league as a full Intel computer, surely a DVD is in the same league as renting a movie on iTunes.

It is for many cases of computation! I can do my bill paying, writing, and much of my coding work from a raspberry pi; for those things, it’s a suitable replacement. These days you can get an entire phone that outputs to your tv that is hackable, cheap, and has access to relatively quality proprietary software.

And yea, a DVD is in the dame league, but it’s a format that deteriorates with age. Not exactly an investment format like vinyl. At least you can back up MP3s and play them with any software you like.

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Post by davemp »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #106
mehrdada wrote: post #76

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Nah, sorry to break it for you, but the Qualcomm chip is nowhere close to A11.

Yeah, sorry to break this to you, but that A11 isn't fairing too well against Android phones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kpD3XCp49o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G669OgskM0 Let's see how that A11 is on battery efficiency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbSjUq_kvSM

How does that battery life test show anything about the A11’s efficiency?

- The displays will be drawing a huge majority of the power—diminishing the effect of the processors.

- The batteries have massively different capacities.

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Post by specialist »

gumby wrote: post #13
mankash666 wrote: post #2

It's rather sad that Google needs to pay Android makers a fee for installing it's apps, given how Google gives away source code that makes Android exist in the first place. On the contrary, Apple's ecosystem is completely closed, app cut fairly high and non-negotiable at 30% and app store rejections arbitrary at best and blatantly anti competitive at worst. In the name of user centricity, their platform places arbitr…

> On the contrary, Apple's ecosystem is completely closed Their App Store is a monopoly, but I have friends who use iPhones and use Google's Inbox, Google's search app, Chrome browser, Google Maps and Waze etc and don't use the built-in defaults. I guess they like the hardware. So maybe I'm not interpreting "completely closed" correctly. > ... In the name of user centricity, their platform places arbitrary restrictio…

”...I like these restrictions.”

Yup. I will only do tech supp (for friends, family) for macOS, iOS. Bought both gf and mom Apple gear. My life is now much easier.

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Post by futhey »

ekianjo wrote: post #104
kn0where wrote: post #39

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> AFAIK, you have to pay a yearly fee for the privilege of doing so. That hasn't been the case for a number of years. As long as you have a Mac, you can download Xcode for free, compile an app, and sync it over to your iOS device.

Needing a Mac is an extra expense in itself. I fail to see much difference.

Sure. A company doesn't choose to spend hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars per year to port their development tools to a third-party platform.

I'm sure if they believed they would get more & higher quality developers to build apps by doing so, they already would have.

Makes since, especially since Windows historically hasn't done the same for Visual Studio / C# (I know they're supposedly trying now or planning to but I confess I haven't followed along closely enough to determine if it's cancelled, delayed, or the scope was actually smaller than full dot net + c# support).

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Post by futhey »

simonh wrote: post #80
holtalanm wrote: post #47

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>Yes you can compile and install your own software, but AFAIK, you have to pay a yearly fee for the privilege of doing so Yes. And you have to own one of their overpriced computers too.

Oh for goodness sake, go and get yourself a GNU Stallmanphone or whatever along with the other five or six owners and leave the rest of the world alone. What the heck did Apple ever do to you?

Sorry you're getting downvoted to oblivion.
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