I wonder if this is even legal in Europe (probably not in Germany).
Of course it is illegal in the EU.
OnePlus OxygenOS built-in analytics
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#62Are similar services found in other more popular phones such as by Samsung or LG?
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
This makes me wonder: why can we have a top of the line desktop PC which is totally libre, but not a smartphone? What has gone wrong?
If you're running Windows 10, even "top of the line desktop PCs" engage in data collection these days - I have to turn off pages of settings and set group policies to disable it all properly and even then there are still some things which can't be disabled, like the Bing hit every time you type in the search box even with internet search disabled, so I have to use hosts file blocking. https://arstechnica.com/informat…
Yeah, but I can buy a motherboard, cpu, disk and whatnot, assemble them, run Windows or Linux on it.
Of course, with phones it is more difficult to assemble stuff (everything is much smaller), but the whole concept of a standardized open platform is not there.
Somebody should define the "PC Phone", and declare it an open standard.
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#65The purpose of buying a OnePlus device is to get decent hardware for an okay price (I have the 3T), and then take advantage of their unlocked bootloader and the multitudes of highly functional kernels for it. Sultan's LineageOS ROMs are quite nice and even include WireGuard. If you're not immediately removing non-free OxygenOS when you receive your phone, you're most certainly already doing it wrong, data collection…
That was the purpose, but I think nowadays they're priced pretty mainstream.
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#66Google's is similarly excessive https://i.imgur.com/fWvV7R4.png Though I get the feeling google's approach of trying to desensitize me (emailing me about how great I am for traveling to mcdonalds like a slob, and gamifying my use of google maps, for example) instead of shamefully hiding it, is a fair bit worse
Wait so google's approach of explicitly showing you the information they gather is worse than hiding the information they gather?
I think he means the end result is worse. By being constantly shown the information you get desensitized to it. After years of that, you're much less likely to oppose this type of tracking than you would be had you never heard about it.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google is also a US company, which means you at least have a different set of intelligence agencies after you. Given those two options, I think I’d prefer to give my data to the NSA, not the Chinese government.
Hmm, I'm in the opposite boat - China can't extradite me or arrest me. I'd much rather my information be in the hands of Chinese intelligence agencies than American ones.
Can't extradite you or arrest you yet.
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#68Holy moly O_o. Those kind of stories are keeping me back from buying any Android devices in nearest future. Somebody might say that I can flash it with clean Android ROM but that's great for people who have too much time :-)
What other options do you have if you want a smartphone? I severely doubt that other devices (most notably Apple) are any better. I think that if you don't want this to happen you have to buy a dumbphone, which may or may not be an option for some people.
I'd settle for a dumbphone with WhatsApp and a solid browser. I miss having to only recharge once a week.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're running Windows 10, even "top of the line desktop PCs" engage in data collection these days - I have to turn off pages of settings and set group policies to disable it all properly and even then there are still some things which can't be disabled, like the Bing hit every time you type in the search box even with internet search disabled, so I have to use hosts file blocking. https://arstechnica.com/informat…
Yeah, but I can buy a motherboard, cpu, disk and whatnot, assemble them, run Windows or Linux on it. Of course, with phones it is more difficult to assemble stuff (everything is much smaller), but the whole concept of a standardized open platform is not there. Somebody should define the "PC Phone", and declare it an open standard.
I guess it depends on what you mean by open platform.
The platforms are well known, architectures are standardize, GPU drivers are often proprietary similar to the desktop world, but ultimately I can flash anything I want on my phone, I've run stock Android, several modified variants, Firefox OS, Ubuntu, Sailfish and others.
From a software perspective that's all not too hard to achieve, the hardware side of things does lack standardization but that's because as you say, it's not exactly something you can hand assemble.
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#70Google's is similarly excessive https://i.imgur.com/fWvV7R4.png Though I get the feeling google's approach of trying to desensitize me (emailing me about how great I am for traveling to mcdonalds like a slob, and gamifying my use of google maps, for example) instead of shamefully hiding it, is a fair bit worse
Wait so google's approach of explicitly showing you the information they gather is worse than hiding the information they gather?
I wouldn't say worse per se, but it is bad in its own right for the reason the parent comment stated.
If it's "normal" to track every step and shove it in your face, surely you must be paranoid to not let them do at least some of that stuff.
I'm not saying there's no use for the data, and the services provided. It's just the opt-out nature of invading my privacy that I personally don't approve of.