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Re: Rich Hickey's response to “On whose authority?”

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post #6

"Entitlement" really captures the post Rich is responding to. Objections to the existence of Arachne and spec? Who is Chris Zheng to tell people what to spend their time and money on? And he wants Datomic open sourced. Waaah.

It's damn good rhetoric to label a post 'entitled' and trash the author as childish.

it deserved that label IMO

Re: Rich Hickey's response to “On whose authority?”

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post #23
post #7

I've read the original article and, to be quite honest, couldn't actually determine what point it was trying to make. The action items seemed to have very little to do with the rest of the rant. I actually read the response first and the weird thing is: I couldn't really tell you what exactly the response is replying to. I feel like the whole thing is a huge amount of verbiage expressing frustration and broken motive…

>, couldn't actually determine what point it was trying to make. In the poorly written Chris Zheng rant, there was a link to a more mature blog post by Eric Normand.[1] (It would have been better use of Rich Hickey's time to ignore CZ and respond to Eric, but alas.) In any case, CZ is upset that Cognitec drives the evolution of Clojure and its libraries more than the community outside of Cognitec . E.g. one of his fr…

> what mainstream programming language community actually meets CZ's criteria that the outside community drives the language with equal or more power than the internal team?

I'd suggest Perl might get close to that.

Re: Rich Hickey's response to “On whose authority?”

#74
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>, couldn't actually determine what point it was trying to make. In the poorly written Chris Zheng rant, there was a link to a more mature blog post by Eric Normand.[1] (It would have been better use of Rich Hickey's time to ignore CZ and respond to Eric, but alas.) In any case, CZ is upset that Cognitec drives the evolution of Clojure and its libraries more than the community outside of Cognitec . E.g. one of his fr…

> what mainstream programming language community actually meets CZ's criteria that the outside community drives the language with equal or more power than the internal team? I'd suggest Perl might get close to that.

Not even close. There's a tiny cabal of regionally and racially well connected people, most of them working in the same company, who do make the (mostly wrong) decisions.

Re: Rich Hickey's response to “On whose authority?”

#75
post #36

After reading the original article and Hickey's response, I'm significantly less sympathetic to Hickey. Here's the question: would Rock Hickey be Rich Hickey without Clojure? Would Cogitech exist without Clojure? I understand both sides. I know the frustration of living with someone's arbitrary decisions. I also know the frustration of getting nothing but attacks from something I have worked hard to give away. But Hi…

So would rich be rich without the language that rich built? This is a hilarious way of looking at it. There answer is yes.

Re: Rich Hickey's response to “On whose authority?”

#76
post #6

"Entitlement" really captures the post Rich is responding to. Objections to the existence of Arachne and spec? Who is Chris Zheng to tell people what to spend their time and money on? And he wants Datomic open sourced. Waaah.

It's damn good rhetoric to label a post 'entitled' and trash the author as childish.

It's not a label, it's a description. Based on his post, that Zhang guy believes that people shouldn't have donated to Arachne, for example, because he personally didn't think it was necessary. In other words, his personal opinion should have a special status => entitled.

Re: Rich Hickey's response to “On whose authority?”

#78
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>, couldn't actually determine what point it was trying to make. In the poorly written Chris Zheng rant, there was a link to a more mature blog post by Eric Normand.[1] (It would have been better use of Rich Hickey's time to ignore CZ and respond to Eric, but alas.) In any case, CZ is upset that Cognitec drives the evolution of Clojure and its libraries more than the community outside of Cognitec . E.g. one of his fr…

Sad thing is...Noir was dead for 4 years before Arachne came along. Go to the GitHub page, the deprication notice is from 2013! And Arachne isn’t even a Cognitect project. The author of Arachne temporarily quit his job at Cognitect to peruse his dream of a ideal web framework. The number of facts like this that at just plain wrong in the OP just add to the offensive tone. Why should I listen to someone who has no res…

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Re: Rich Hickey's response to “On whose authority?”

#79
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>, couldn't actually determine what point it was trying to make. In the poorly written Chris Zheng rant, there was a link to a more mature blog post by Eric Normand.[1] (It would have been better use of Rich Hickey's time to ignore CZ and respond to Eric, but alas.) In any case, CZ is upset that Cognitec drives the evolution of Clojure and its libraries more than the community outside of Cognitec . E.g. one of his fr…

Sad thing is...Noir was dead for 4 years before Arachne came along. Go to the GitHub page, the deprication notice is from 2013! And Arachne isn’t even a Cognitect project. The author of Arachne temporarily quit his job at Cognitect to peruse his dream of a ideal web framework. The number of facts like this that at just plain wrong in the OP just add to the offensive tone. Why should I listen to someone who has no res…

Speaking of the truth -- http://arachne-framework.org/team/:

  Tim Ewald **
  Bob Calco ***
  Jamie Kite **
  Jay Martin
  David Nolen *
  Mike Nygard *
  Russ Olsen *
  Marc Phillips
  Nola Stowe
  Stuart Sierra *
  Luke VanderHart *
  ---
  (honorable mention) _halgari == Tim Baldridge *
  
    * Currently @ Cognitect
   ** Ex-Cognitect
  *** Affiliated (https://cognitect.com/services.html)
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