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Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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Yes the vast majority of the non-urban population is going to become urban for economic reasons. That’s been going on since the dawn of civilization (it's literally where the name “civilization” comes from), and it's not going to reversed any time soon.

So the solution is train 50 million people and tell them to move to large cities? Will the government pay for the move, or no? What about the skyrocketing rents in the large cities with the large influx? What about their homes and land they own now? Write it off? What exactly would you train them to do? That's got a lot of red flags in the details. Ignoring that, it doesn't sound anywhere near ideal solution. I would…

> So the solution is train 50 million people and tell them to move to large cities?

No, that's not a solution or what they need to be told to do, the move is just what is largely going to happen over time.

Insofar as there as a policy solution, it's supporting the effected population through the transition, which, certainly includes funding retraining those who can benefit from that, assisting relocation, and assisting those who can't benefit from retraining.

(While it's politically unlikely in the near term, UBI could address much of that with less friction and overhead than targeted programs.)

> I would expect something better. I think getting the federal government into building things again instead of contracting it out would be a start, similar to FDR's works programs.

Whether it's government jobs or contractor jobs makes no difference; FDRs works programs weren't significant because of that but instead because of the scale of the work. But those were to deal with a major business cycle downturn, not an effort to hold back the long-term rural→urban transition.

Unless your works program is a permanent one building monuments to waste in rural areas, it’s beside the point of the problem you are trying to address

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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As someone outside of SV (Nevadan living in Boston and practicing medicine), I think this article largely misses the mark. I think it is true that there is a diversity problem in SV, just like there is a diversity problem in medicine. It’s a problem, because there is no a priori reason for women and ethnic minorities to be less prevalent in our high-paying fields. But that’s probably the only point that resonates. Th…

> The criticism of Juicero and Theranos being emblematic of focusing on the wrong problems is not sensible. Companies fail, sometimes spectacularly, sometimes due to dishonest behavior, etc. If Theranos had the tech they claimed to have, it would have been richly rewarded (outshined only by the consumer surplus it would have created). The problem with Juciero and Theranos isn't that they failed. The problem with them…

It may have been dumb to you but what does that matter? The point of capitalism is that it's not anyone else's business. Things you may buy may be considered dumb to another. It doesn't matter in a free market where everyone decides for themselves and has their own reasons for what they buy. If it wasted money, that is on the people who invested in it.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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Can you explain to me what this difference is?

>ideas that seem dumb and ideas that are dumb. The first makes money, the second doesn't. :)

I know people who bought the Juicero so how do you know it didn't have the potential to make money? That is a gamble that is up to investors to decide. A niche product can still be very profitable.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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25 years in "the media" is my reference point. What's yours?

If you've spent that long in the media and aren't aware of the massive consolidation that has occurred, then I'm not sure this will interest you but I'll paste it anyway: http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-... It's not hard to find lots of information about this trend.

I'm not one to complain about downvotes but I am interested in knowing why because, unless this article is mistaken, it's pretty clear that this portrayal of media consolidation by a handful of corporations is accurate.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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+100. I spent almost two decades in SV before moving to PHX and agree completely with your tips. I've found that since moving to PHX, the hustling and "revolutionizing/world-changing/disruptive" rhetoric is kept to a minimum. Tech isn't its "own world" as much here and most of my friends and co-workers in the tech community end up talking about things we all enjoy doing as hobbies, or our families, more than anything…

Hah. I live in Montana, and I find myself lusting sometimes for the inundation of tech in SV. I wish I could nerd out with more of my friends, instead of talking about hiking/skiing/whatever. I guess the grass is always greener :)

> I wish I could nerd out with more of my friends, instead of talking about hiking/skiing/whatever. I guess the grass is always greener :)

I would be happy to trade!

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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post #462

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> The criticism of Juicero and Theranos being emblematic of focusing on the wrong problems is not sensible. Companies fail, sometimes spectacularly, sometimes due to dishonest behavior, etc. If Theranos had the tech they claimed to have, it would have been richly rewarded (outshined only by the consumer surplus it would have created). The problem with Juciero and Theranos isn't that they failed. The problem with them…

It may have been dumb to you but what does that matter? The point of capitalism is that it's not anyone else's business. Things you may buy may be considered dumb to another. It doesn't matter in a free market where everyone decides for themselves and has their own reasons for what they buy. If it wasted money, that is on the people who invested in it.

With regards to Juciero, my point isn't "I think it's dumb so it shouldn't exist." It's "many people agree this is dumb and it shouldn't have had money poured into it given it clearly would not survive." It's that Juciero was a capitalistic failure that was treated like a success because Silicon Valley is out-of-touch and self-obsessed. I wouldn't call myself a capitalist, and I have no love for it as a system, but I get how it works.

With regards to Theranos, my point also stands. It's baldly evil on its face and shouldn't exist. Capitalism and "it's none of your business" are not excuses.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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As someone who enjoys breathing clean air, they can't continue to mine coal. They just cannot. And I'm sorry they feel that way about their wages, but they have to continue to adapt.

Coal is dead due to the economies of natural gas. Besides, China uses coal like crazy, and we pay China to do so, so as far as the atmosphere goes, the US not using coal doesn't really matter that much.

Chinese coal consumption has been declining since 2013.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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People generally do love Silicon Valley and what it creates. It’s the media that doesn’t. Ask the average person what brands and products they like and use the most (or just look at the data on where and how they spend their time and money) and you’ll see that Silicon Valley is doing just fine in the eyes of the populace. In fact, Silicon Valley has never been more influential. Ask people to go to a world without iPh…

"As an aside, I’ll never understand why people get so upset for rich people making bad bets and losing a bunch of money" These rich people are not risking their own money but they risk the money of other people's pension funds and other sources. That has a real impact in people outside of SV.

You need to look at the returns of a portfolio, not an individual investment. Most of the investors in these bad deals were investors in very very good deals based on very similar signaling. Most pension funds would be crawling over each other to get into top funds — which means a fund that’s going to blow up half its portfolio.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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Here's another view of the problem: the "average Joe" American is starting to hate all the centralized and monolithic institutions in the country, because he sees them as being corrupt, privileged, and primarily concerned with cementing their own power. It used to be that SV was a rebel and outsider going against Washington and Wall Street, but increasingly SV is just another pillar of the power structure.

I've always thought cities should do this with regard to bottled water. It's one of those things you feel guilty spending money on but the convenience now and then is just worth it.

But if it was local, I wouldn't feel as bad about environmental impact and the profits would hopefully go towards something useful like filling potholes or education.

I'm ambivalent when it comes to bottle water but I certainly don't like giving Nestle my money.

Re: Dear Silicon Valley: America’s fallen out of love with you

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If they don't want to join, then what is the problem? Their life, their choice. Do we see as many article about the lack of women in waste management? I think that's because seem like easy well-payed jobs. The reality is stupid hours, stupid management and no life. Only people who value money more than their time would choose to stay there. But hey! A possible solution would be to force women to learn to code then wo…

No, a better solution would be to fix the rampant problems of sexism in tech so that women aren't driven out of it. Problem should be fixed. They should be fixed because they are problems that make lots of people unhappy and keep them out of high paying jobs. Women aren't stupid for choosing to not subject themselves to rampant sexism. That's actually smart. But fixing a huge problem that effects lots and lots of peo…

Here is my problem and I think a lot of people's problem.

The only sexism I've seen in tech is benevolent sexism. People interrupting you in meetings? Same thing for men. People who shit on your work? Same thing for most men. Bad jokes? I mean, put an audio recorder in a room full of men and see how it can be.

Most techies I know have been raised to be respectful of women. I'd say even too much.

So when suddenly tech becomes fashionable because there's lot of money there and most outsider media start bashing the field for being full of misogynists I'm starting to get a feeling of cognitive dissonance. A feeling of 1984 becoming reality.

How do men react then? They start getting distant and avoid interacting with women. And now you get articles about the lack of mentoring of women and how men don't interact the same way with women than they do with other men.

It's like the only way would be for men to live, think and interact exactly like women. And soon we'll have the same thing in the workplace as in school: men are defective women.

Maybe women should start their own tech companies and recruit other women if men lead ones are not good enough for them.

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