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2017 California school test scores: Why are they flatlining?

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Re: 2017 California school test scores: Why are they flatlining?

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The kids go to school to get homework from professionals trained in the art of teaching then the unqualified parent is the one that has to help the child do these homeworks. Now what is recommended is to sign up for the after school program where for a fee someone can help them with their homework.

How about they teach and do the work during school hours?

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What is California's score if you get remove all the test scores of illegal immigrants. I'm sure that they drastically drop the scores.

Being an ESL student would make school significantly harder. And would also explain he low English skills. And given that most illegals are manual labor and not high skilled jobs, the kids don't have parents who can help their kids with maths.

Re: 2017 California school test scores: Why are they flatlining?

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Not being good at Math is not that big of deal but not being proficient at your own native language seems inexcusable.

I'm surprised I even have to explain this here but testing for basic language proficiency is not the only thing these types of tests are for. They test elements of writing, grammar, critical analysis, and vocabulary that students are still learning.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find any easy way to get example questions - they're all locked behind a login that requires student id.

Furthermore, this isn't entirely an ESL issue - according to the article, scores for African-American students were the lowest, and they're obviously native speakers. So we would need more information to figure out the origin of this disparity.

One final point - these numbers are the percentage of students who scored above a threshold, NOT their average scores. All of the scores for every ethnic group are likely on something like a normal distribution, shifted to the right or left. Of the groups who performed below the standard, it's likely that the majority of them performed very close to the standard even if they were just below it.

Re: 2017 California school test scores: Why are they flatlining?

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Not being good at Math is not that big of deal but not being proficient at your own native language seems inexcusable.

Half the population not basicly proficient in math is a sign of weak education and shouldnt be dismissed with left hand.

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HN title is editorialized inappropriately from source (and focus shifted to absolute results rather than trends and discussion of the reasons behind the trends, which include questions about the validity of the tests.) The source title is “2017 California school test scores: Why are they flatlining?”

Re: 2017 California school test scores: Why are they flatlining?

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It has everything to do with home life and environment. No classroom within the expected margins of quality can overcome a negative home life that does not value education and encourage student achievement. Wealth and cultural/familial values are the major culprits.

The real problem is tests and goals changing every year... Constant changes to curriculum and learning goals cause nothing but confusion.

Re: 2017 California school test scores: Why are they flatlining?

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"California isn’t alone in its stagnating scores and in fact compares favorably with the 12 other states, plus the U.S. Virgin Islands, that administered the same tests last spring from the Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium. Scores decreased in every state, and California’s decline was about the smallest, retired educational testing specialist Douglas McRae said." This is the most important sentence in the artic…

It's almost as if the standard of what is standard changes drastically as the world does.

Or the process by which they design and score the test isn't very good.

Re: 2017 California school test scores: Why are they flatlining?

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It has everything to do with home life and environment. No classroom within the expected margins of quality can overcome a negative home life that does not value education and encourage student achievement. Wealth and cultural/familial values are the major culprits.

Lack of wealth and lack of cultural/familial values more so than their overwhelming presence - though some might argue against the cultural part. When will American culture praise and reward academic acheivement in the way that some other cultures do?

I feel like the cultures that "praise and reward academic acheivement" are mostly the same cultures that value the concept of castes/genetic nobility (i.e. the idea that you can come from a "smart family", and the automatic association of a "noble" birth with inborn intelligence.)

America, in trying to promote the idea that anyone can become anything, has quite thoroughly quashed the idea that it is of any benefit to come from a "cultured" background; and, thereby, has devalued the concept of acquiring a Liberal Arts education as a necessary stepping stone in dynasty-building.

There are probably benefits to this, but there are also obvious drawbacks.

Re: 2017 California school test scores: Why are they flatlining?

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"California isn’t alone in its stagnating scores and in fact compares favorably with the 12 other states, plus the U.S. Virgin Islands, that administered the same tests last spring from the Smarter Balanced Assessment Consortium. Scores decreased in every state, and California’s decline was about the smallest, retired educational testing specialist Douglas McRae said." This is the most important sentence in the artic…

So what's your recommended alternative metric? I don't doubt there is a good case to improve certain standardized tests, but that doesn't mean there isn't a valuable correlation even in a flawed one, nor that it's better to keep moving the goal posts into more subjective territory to explain away bad outcomes.
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