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Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by philliphaydon »

joenathanone wrote: post #220
philliphaydon wrote: post #156

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The problem with windows phone / mobile is not the apps. It was Microsoft. When Apple launches an Phone, it’s avaliable world wide. When Microsoft launches a phone, it’s avaliable in America. My last windows phone was a Lumia 925, the last Lumia announced I waited 7 months for it to reach singapore before throwing in the towel and going android. There were no phones avaliable outside America, uk, Australia. Now I use…

You don't know how untrue this is, couple of things. First lets start with this qoute "According to Kantar's October 2013 report, Windows Phone accounted for 10.2% of all smartphone sales in Europe and 4.8% of all sales in the United States." and then this one "Microsoft announced new data from IDC indicating that Windows Phone is the second-most-used mobile platform in Latin America." Lastly, do you not remember the…

yeah iphone was launched in 2007. We are in 2017 and if you want to take marketshare from your competitors then you need to be releasing your products in all major markets. Not a couple of them.

Windows phone was quite popular in Asia yet it died due to lack of devices.

My mum still rocks an HTC HD7 tho.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by izacus »

Gaelan wrote: post #218
philliphaydon wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with windows phone / mobile is not the apps. It was Microsoft. When Apple launches an Phone, it’s avaliable world wide. When Microsoft launches a phone, it’s avaliable in America. My last windows phone was a Lumia 925, the last Lumia announced I waited 7 months for it to reach singapore before throwing in the towel and going android. There were no phones avaliable outside America, uk, Australia. Now I use…

Didn't the iPhone launch US-only?

Original yes, but it also launched only on AT&T in US as well and wasn't all that successful. The real uptick in popularity started with IPhone 3G (with AppStore) which was available world wide.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by rchaud »

Had Microsoft's acquisition strategy been different, they could have significantly boosted WM's hopes. The lack of official apps for Whatsapp and Instagram on WP were user's biggest complaints by far. Facebook bought Instagram in 2012 and Whatsapp in 2014 for a combined total of $20 billion.

In roughly the same period, Microsoft bought Skype, Minecraft and LinkedIn for a total of around $36 billion, the bulk of that accruing to LI's price. I get that MS is enterprise-focused, but those prices seem completely out of whack with what they actually got in value. Whatsapp, Google and Apple all offer built in video chat for consumers and LI's value to anyone outside of recruiting agencies is dubious.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by garganzol »

myrandomcomment wrote: post #222

When MS released the first version of Windows NT it was buggy as hell. Internal to MS they ran Banyan VINES. Bill ordered it to be ripped out and replaced with NT. It was a mess. All the coders in MS quickly started to fix all the stuff that effected them. NT 3.51 came out pretty quickly after and to be honest it was quiet good for the time. For as much money as they spent trying to get people to buy the phone or wri…

Love Bill. He was the type.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

pjc50 wrote: post #203
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #173

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This. I knew everyone from seniors, the a police chief, to tech folks carrying Windows phones. The apps we needed were there. But Microsoft had a nearly-useless approach to hardware releases, they constantly missed the boat. I currently carry the last Windows Mobile phone on Verizon (the US' largest carrier). It is from 2014. (Actually, a new Elite x3 is coming out next week, three years later.) This is ridiculous. W…

> someone releasing a phone "for enterprise" that didn't work on Verizon, the main carrier of enterprise users Whose fault is this though? Was it missing a particular radio band, or was it anti-competitive behaviour by Verizon? I'm used to just buying phones and slipping in the SIM.

Verizon has a certification process, but they are effectively required by law to accept all compatible phones. Microsoft didn't even submit any of their recent phones for Verizon certification, even if they had chips which supported Verizon bands. Actually, HP is just now (like, this month) releasing a version of the Elite x3 that is Verizon-certified.

https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/get-certified

https://opendevelopment.verizonwireless.com/device-showcase/...

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by executesorder66 »

spoiledtechie wrote: post #71
shanev wrote: post #69

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Can confirm. Microsoft offered me $10k and free help with development to port my app.

10k seems reasonable enough to port it. Why didn't you?

I wouldn't help Microsoft for $10000000. I'm sure many others feel the same.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by philliphaydon »

Gaelan wrote: post #218
philliphaydon wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with windows phone / mobile is not the apps. It was Microsoft. When Apple launches an Phone, it’s avaliable world wide. When Microsoft launches a phone, it’s avaliable in America. My last windows phone was a Lumia 925, the last Lumia announced I waited 7 months for it to reach singapore before throwing in the towel and going android. There were no phones avaliable outside America, uk, Australia. Now I use…

Didn't the iPhone launch US-only?

It doesn’t matter. Subsequent iPhones are launched globally.

Microsoft does not launch subsequent products globally.

The surface takes many many months to reach many parts of Asia. Surface studio is only in a hand full of countries. Surface laptop is only in a handful of countries. Surface book is almost non existent.

The only thing Microsoft makes that it launches well is the Xbox.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by darkhorn »

The webview in Windows Phone was I think Internet Explorer 10 or something like that. Thus we were unable to port our Sencha Touch 1.1.1 app to Windows Phone.

Then we have tried to rewrite the app with Sencha Touch 2 but because it was time consuming my employer told me to work on other things.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by pishpash »

joenathanone wrote: post #220
philliphaydon wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with windows phone / mobile is not the apps. It was Microsoft. When Apple launches an Phone, it’s avaliable world wide. When Microsoft launches a phone, it’s avaliable in America. My last windows phone was a Lumia 925, the last Lumia announced I waited 7 months for it to reach singapore before throwing in the towel and going android. There were no phones avaliable outside America, uk, Australia. Now I use…

You don't know how untrue this is, couple of things. First lets start with this qoute "According to Kantar's October 2013 report, Windows Phone accounted for 10.2% of all smartphone sales in Europe and 4.8% of all sales in the United States." and then this one "Microsoft announced new data from IDC indicating that Windows Phone is the second-most-used mobile platform in Latin America." Lastly, do you not remember the…

But you're not competing with the iPhone of ten years ago. You're competing with the iPhone of today. It's difficult but in the end just excuses.

Windows phones were never a serious competitor. It just wasn't that important to the life and death of Microsoft and the result, from a business organizational perspective, is very much expected.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Post by vidarh »

joenathanone wrote: post #220
philliphaydon wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with windows phone / mobile is not the apps. It was Microsoft. When Apple launches an Phone, it’s avaliable world wide. When Microsoft launches a phone, it’s avaliable in America. My last windows phone was a Lumia 925, the last Lumia announced I waited 7 months for it to reach singapore before throwing in the towel and going android. There were no phones avaliable outside America, uk, Australia. Now I use…

You don't know how untrue this is, couple of things. First lets start with this qoute "According to Kantar's October 2013 report, Windows Phone accounted for 10.2% of all smartphone sales in Europe and 4.8% of all sales in the United States." and then this one "Microsoft announced new data from IDC indicating that Windows Phone is the second-most-used mobile platform in Latin America." Lastly, do you not remember the…

Consider that his perception might explain why those numbers are so awful. It's perfectly possible for the phones to be accessible to those kind of numbers of users and still be totally unavailable in the outlets a huge proportion of potential customers would look for them.

E.g. I live in the UK, and I can't remember ever having seen a Windows phone in the stores. I'm sure they're available, because I've seen people use them now and again. But if they were available in the stores I've been in, they were hidden away.

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