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A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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Why is the UI on these things so atrocious? It took him a number of key presses just to select from a list of 6 and many more to finalize the purchase. Why not have a bunch of large tactile buttons at the bottom of the screen like all normal vending machines do? I don't want to wait in line for 3 minutes while some technophobe tries to figure out how to nagivate a pressure touchscreen with 12 menus deep. It's not his…

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>People left without a job/role in society often don't matter even to themselves -- low self esteem, turning to drugs, alcohol, etc. I see this argument all the time here, but no one accounts for the fact that we live in a society in which people's worth is largely determined by their ability to secure financial stability. Who's to say that people without jobs, allowed to live without societal derision in a (best cas…

I covered that in the first part of my comment: the masses are rarely nurtured when they are not useful. So, it's more likely that they'll be left to rot, than that they'll be provided for and allowed to be included is a "post work future".

Oh, I'm not optimistic at all that the kind of societal shift I'm talking about will/can happen, at least in any peaceful/gentle way- that's why I said in a best case.

I'm just objecting to the idea that working for a living is necessary for self esteem or self actualization.

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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Until self check-out becomes faster and less obnoxious than having a skilled cashier do the job faster I don't think we need to worry at a large scale. We aren't going to be talking to robot waiters any time soon. If Carl's Jr. puts a glorified soda machine as my fast food interface I'll go to McDonald's where I can give my order in 10 seconds instead of fumbling with a machine for 2 minutes.

All the local McDonald's here have installed self-ordering kiosks. They're fast and seem very popular. I personally find it significantly easier and faster than waiting in line and talking to an actual human. (And this is coming from someone who hates self-checkout lines at grocery stores.) > We aren't going to be talking to robot waiters any time soon. Robot waiters? Probably not. But using our phones to order deliv…

> All the local McDonald's here have installed self-ordering kiosks. They're fast and seem very popular. I personally find it significantly easier and faster than waiting in line and talking to an actual human. (And this is coming from someone who hates self-checkout lines at grocery stores.)

I have had fast-food workers mess up my order so many times that I'd rather just give it to a machine.

There are few things more annoying than taking my food to the table, seeing something on it that shouldn't be, walking back to the counter, saying "Excuse me, I asked for no lettuce or tomato", and waiting for them to re-make it.

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Honestly I have zero beef with touchscreen interfaces, some are a little clunky but I've never found one I couldn't figure out. That said, DUMP THE GODDAMN RESISTIVE SCREENS IN THE TRASH. Seriously those things were fucking garbage when they were invented, now that we have capacitive screens, there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER to keep making me endure the touch technology of 2001. While we're at it get them out of my fuck…

Don't you want to be able to control your radio with gloves on?

Resistive screens don't help with that in practice. Physical buttons do.

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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> Salad bars are magnets for bacteria and viruses. Even if the sprouts and ranch dressing aren’t tainted, the serving utensils may be. The Silicon Valley start-up Chowbotics has devised what it says is a partial solution. A solution to what? What exactly is the problem? Just because bacteria (and "viruses"? really?) may or may not be found in salad bars doesn't make it an emergency. Exactly how many people get sick,…

Let's replace "salad" with "burrito" and just look at Chipotle in isolation... * In March and April 2008, 22 customers were infected with hepatitis A from a Chipotle restaurant in California. * In April 2008, over 400 people were infected with norovirus from a Chipotle restaurant in Ohio. * In February 2009, an outbreak of campylobacteriosis was traced to a Chipotle restaurant in Minnesota. * In July 2015, five peopl…

A lot of this can be chalked up to Chipotle's insistence on using organic food, which is far more prone to disease than non-organic.

(adding to your list, a Chipotle in Downtown Dallas was found to be infested with rats a few months ago... it was discovered when the rats started falling through the ceiling)

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Are you implying that human population could ultimately decline, because of AI and automation ? If so, why is that undesirable.

Some believe that a human life has intrinsic value, even outside the value of the species as a whole and even outside the value of that human's labour.

True, but some believe that population growth has to stabilise at some point.

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What if the robot runs out of disinfectant and nobody notices or cares? Robots are only as clean as the company that owns and inspects them permits them to be.

What if employees at a restaurant run out of disinfectant or doesn't wash their hands after visiting the restroom? What if no one notices or cares? :)

An employee might be so disgusted by this they blow the whistle on the place and get it inspected.

A robot can't and won't do this.

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What if the robot runs out of disinfectant and nobody notices or cares? Robots are only as clean as the company that owns and inspects them permits them to be.

Giving the robot a disinfectant-level sensor, delivering an alert when it's low and refusing to operate if it can't do so cleanly, would be trivial compared to the rest of the endeavor, and will probably be required the FDA or equivalent, eventually.

Yes, because no mechanical parts have ever malfunctioned, ever.

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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post #88

Why is the UI on these things so atrocious? It took him a number of key presses just to select from a list of 6 and many more to finalize the purchase. Why not have a bunch of large tactile buttons at the bottom of the screen like all normal vending machines do? I don't want to wait in line for 3 minutes while some technophobe tries to figure out how to nagivate a pressure touchscreen with 12 menus deep. It's not his…

It's because it's way, way cheaper and more flexible to use a touchscreen PLC, like one of these: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/HMI_(H... than a huge mess of buttons and wires. Just look at that linked product! Less than $500 and you have as many buttons and labels as you can shake a stick at, and it's all behind a pretty color display. I can hardly buy 3 buttons, a vinyl overlay, and pay for…

>Less than $500 and you have as many buttons and labels as you can shake a stick at, and it's all behind a pretty color display.

A raspberry pi + touchscreen is 1/5th of that. RPi is capable of running Qt5 which would be a solid UI choice.

How the heck have they survived?

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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That human can, if properly trained and motivated, recognize when the coffee being served isn't coming out right. They can interface with customers and resolve complicated human problems, de-escalating when necessary to find a good outcome. A robot has no way of knowing if the coffee will taste good or contains rat poison. It's just going through the motions. If it serves you a dud drink you can't argue with it, you…

Why do we need an extra person? There's already a human present, the customer. Let them submit the feedback and fix their coffee at the same time.

The reason I buy coffee at a coffee shop is because I want it done properly, and "properly" is largely a subjective thing. A good shop will have someone who's intimately familiar with what they're preparing and will tune the machine at multiple times per day to get the right result.

A robot just does what it's told.

Starbucks used to have manual machines and the results were...variable. Some days you'd get a substandard drink, but if you got someone who knew what they were doing, the results were fantastic.

It's like before the coffee would be anywhere beteween a 6 and 9 out of 10. Now they're consistently 7.5 out of 10 every time. Boring, predictable, never bad, but never great.

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