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A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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Ummmmm, that's not a "mean" caesar salad. It's competitive with a supermarket premade but doesn't compare to a restaurant or homemade caesar salad.

This isn't any different than a vending machine or those coke dispensers with a touch screen flavour picker.

The real job loss will be when this is a real robot that is fresh tearing the romaine and whisking the dressing after you press the buttons and delivering an actual caesar salad.

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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> labor-saving devices have been being invented for hundreds of thousands of years. What's new? An extremely larger population that any other period in time (more than double what was merely 100 years ago), combined with the most extreme productivity improvements and new technologies like AI and robotics that can make most of them redundant in a few large fell swoops. Plus, the fact that for most of humanity's existe…

Mattered to whom? People always matter at least to themselves.

>Mattered to whom?

To those that run society and determine policy.

>People always matter at least to themselves.

Which is neither here nor there as to whether anyone will lend them a helping hand or let them perish e.g. in slums and poverty.

Though even at that one would be surprised. People left without a job/role in society often don't matter even to themselves -- low self esteem, turning to drugs, alcohol, etc.

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It's because it's way, way cheaper and more flexible to use a touchscreen PLC, like one of these: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/HMI_(H... than a huge mess of buttons and wires. Just look at that linked product! Less than $500 and you have as many buttons and labels as you can shake a stick at, and it's all behind a pretty color display. I can hardly buy 3 buttons, a vinyl overlay, and pay for…

Honestly I have zero beef with touchscreen interfaces, some are a little clunky but I've never found one I couldn't figure out. That said, DUMP THE GODDAMN RESISTIVE SCREENS IN THE TRASH. Seriously those things were fucking garbage when they were invented, now that we have capacitive screens, there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER to keep making me endure the touch technology of 2001. While we're at it get them out of my fuck…

Don't you want to be able to control your radio with gloves on?

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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Honestly I have zero beef with touchscreen interfaces, some are a little clunky but I've never found one I couldn't figure out. That said, DUMP THE GODDAMN RESISTIVE SCREENS IN THE TRASH. Seriously those things were fucking garbage when they were invented, now that we have capacitive screens, there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER to keep making me endure the touch technology of 2001. While we're at it get them out of my fuck…

Don't you want to be able to control your radio with gloves on?

They make gloves that can work capacitive screens, and they aren't even expensive anymore. Meanwhile resistive screens suck just as hard with gloved or ungloved hands.

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I don't want to wait in line for 3 minutes while some old guy tries to figure out Please rewrite, this is borderline discriminatory and quite offensive. Some "old guys" can be as capable to handle such UI as some "young guys". Disclaimer: half-old guy. [EDIT] thanks for replacing "old guy" with "technophobe".

Not sure why you are being downvoted. Perhaps because ageism is still a borderline ok form of discrimination?

I believe he's being downvoted because some believe that there should be a balance between political correctness and skin thickness rather than just full on PC. (This includes me.)

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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People will prefer meals cooked by robots for the same reason they listen to recorded music. Everyone will have access to the best creations of the best chefs, instead of today where the closest you can get is watching them cook on tv. It will be a new media where artists can directly share their work with the world.

Most people enjoy recorded music, but most people also like to see their favorite artists live, when they can. I think it's the same thing.

> but most people also like to see their favorite artists live, when they can

Citation needed. Live music is a healthy economy, but I am not sure a majority of listeners of a given artist are particularly driven to go to that artist's concerts. I suspect only a passionate minority is interested.

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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Not sure why you are being downvoted. Perhaps because ageism is still a borderline ok form of discrimination?

I believe he's being downvoted because some believe that there should be a balance between political correctness and skin thickness rather than just full on PC. (This includes me.)

It's a lot easier to have a thick skin when you're in a demographic nobody discriminates against.

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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Sometimes automation is about taking the difficult, time-consuming, manual parts of a process and making them faster and easier, which saves time and less time=less jobs=article in NYT.

And sometimes automation is about taking the easiest, lowest skill part of a process and making it slower and more difficult, which somehow still results in an NYT article.

I mean all it does is assemble the freaking salads from pre-chopped ingredients. That's it. That's the _easiest_ part of preparing a salad.

Re: A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs?

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I believe he's being downvoted because some believe that there should be a balance between political correctness and skin thickness rather than just full on PC. (This includes me.)

It's a lot easier to have a thick skin when you're in a demographic nobody discriminates against.

I'm sure it is. I'm not trying to minimize discrimination.

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What matters is if there is anything to transition to. A strong argument is made that the options for new jobs are rapidly diminishing, as automation eliminates jobs by skill level, while at the same time the economy is not giving people time to retrain (people most imperilled by automation are usually those living paycheck-to-paycheck). Those two things were not simultaneously true in the past.

> What matters is if there is anything to transition to. There will always be something to transition to. It's not because we cannot imagine it that it means there is nothing ahead of us. Like 75% of the jobs people have nowadays did not exist 100 years ago, and nobody at that time could have imagined them.

Eventually, maybe. That still doesn't solve the immediate problem: jobs are beginning to disappear now, there's no replacement in sight, and the economy doesn't allow for the need to retrain mass amounts of people. This is a recipe for disaster (the bloody kind).
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