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Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by mverwijs »

ianbicking wrote: post #129
saberworks wrote: post #125

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Thanks for the reply. Adding a "cloud" icon to a button called "Save" does not make it clearer, it makes it contradictory (does it save it or does it upload it?). It's very clear based on the design of the interface that your primary goal is to get people to upload their screenshots to your servers. The "save" button is the only one with a label. The others are icons only. The "save" button is 3x as big as the other…

> I'm not convinced "user research" is the best way to go here. If the majority of your selected users think "save" should mean "upload to mozilla" does that mean they're right? More or less, yes, if more people understand one design than another, then the one that more people understand is the right one. We're generally shooting for more than a majority though, we'd want most people to understand the interface, and…

"More or less, yes, if more people understand one design than another, then the one that more people understand is the right one. ", he posted on the one website in the world that still holds on to the original meaning of the word 'hacker'.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by zakk »

k__ wrote: post #140
zakk wrote: post #124

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> The Quantum performance is amazing. Agreed! I am astonished, and I switched back to FF after many, many years. > But I cant get my nightly to remember my logins. Quantum is in beta now, did you try that?

Isnt it part of FF nightly?

No, it has been in Beta for a week or so.

Edit: and clearly it remains in nightly.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by 51Cards »

MikusR wrote: post #162
51Cards wrote: post #57

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IMO Gutting your developer base is seldom good.

What developer base? 99% of new addons are Chrome first/only (like uBlock, uMatrix). And most of the legacy addons were abandoned long ago.

I use several legacy addons and most of those haven't been abandoned? They are about to be though.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by schwarze_pest »

k__ wrote: post #106

The Quantum performance is amazing. But I cant get my nightly to remember my logins.

> But I cant get my nightly to remember my logins.

Do you mean 'restore previous session'? It was moved from the start page to library and now to the hamburger menu. :/

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by Vinnl »

always_good wrote: post #86
Vinnl wrote: post #23

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I'm not sure what features of Vimperator you're using, but if it's only about being able to navigate through your keyboard only, try Vimium-FF: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimium-ff/?sr...

There are all sorts of issues with Vimium. For instance, doesn't work on non-website pages, often have to cmd-w when x doesn't work completely defeating the extension to begin with. No d vs D to close prev/next tab, or p vs P. No temporary pass-thru, just whitelists. Anyone who thinks Vimium is anywhere nearly as polished as Vimperator probably never used the latter much. Though not sure if it's to do with API limits…

> Anyone who thinks Vimium is anywhere nearly as polished as Vimperator probably never used the latter much.

That's why I suggested it - apparently OP didn't use it that extensively :)

Note that even if Chrome didn't have an API, that doesn't mean Firefox will never get it. For example, Vimium had to reimplement its own address bar, but I believe they're working on API's that will let it manipulate Firefox's.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by pix64 »

ianbicking wrote: post #117
saberworks wrote: post #46

Frustrated by the new "screenshots" tool. The "save" button automatically uploads your screenshot up to mozilla servers. The "download" button saves it to your computer. It seems completely backwards. The "save" button should save it to my computer (there's no reason call something a "download" when it's already local). The "download" button should be replaced with an "upload & share" button that sends it to mozilla'…

Hi, Screenshots developer here – We've gotten similar feedback about the Save and Download buttons, we added the cloud icon in part to make that clearer. I feel like there's a ticket about it as well, but I not able to find it. We're planning on adding a Copy button, and we'll probably do some user research on the buttons generally to make sure the choice is clear. We did have a full page screenshot feature, but it d…

I was pretty pissed it automatically uploaded the image. "Save" refers to saving to your local machine. "Upload" means uploading to a remote server. Fix the damn button.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by k__ »

schwarze_pest wrote: post #185
k__ wrote: post #106

The Quantum performance is amazing. But I cant get my nightly to remember my logins.

> But I cant get my nightly to remember my logins. Do you mean 'restore previous session'? It was moved from the start page to library and now to the hamburger menu. :/

I don't know really.

I found a config option that said something like "delete cookies when firefox is closed" I changed this to "No", but somehow it didn't stay.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by mavrc »

andrepd wrote: post #25
hadrien01 wrote: post #5

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Unfortunately that's also where I'll stop during at least a few months after Firefox 57 is released. Quantum is ultra fast, but my extensions are more important. Greasemonkey and Stylish, for example, have equivalent WebExtensions, but they're not as polished. Same with DownThemAll. I think WebExtensions should have matured a bit longer, with Quantum, electrolysis, and Photon being made available for all with the old…

Absolutely. I won't be upgrading and I'm already looking for alternatives, as long as crucial parts of my workflow (tree tabs, session manager) have no adequate replacement. The ugly redesign is also a thorn in my side.

The session management piece is my big sticking point. I've come to rely on Session Manager, but the developer has already stated it will not be ported because necessary APIs are not available through WebExtensions. Since Chrome has better options (mostly through Session Buddy, which isn't nearly as good as Session Manager, but it'll have to do) I guess I'll be going to Chrome full time.

Re: Firefox 56: Last Stop Before Quantum

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Post by madmax108 »

moosingin3space wrote: post #76
madmax108 wrote: post #42

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For people who are uber concerned about keeping v56 without losing your extensions as part of the 57 update, you can turn off auto update for Firefox: Go to about:preferences In Firefox Updates choose "Never Check for Updates" Breathe easy! I know this is not recommended, but I love my XUL based extensions a little too much (Tab Groups primary among those) to give them up so easily.

If this is a problem for you, please switch to 52 ESR and use it until June 2018, and file bug reports against those legacy extensions. Disabling updates for a piece of software that is used to run untrusted code is a terrible piece of advice.

TBH, Firefox has made great strides in the last 2 releases (55/56) in terms of pure speed and snappiness, which is why the suggestion to keep the best of both worlds. FFx 52 pales performance-wise in comparison with FFx 56. I understand what you are saying and hope that people (on HN of all places) are smart enough to understand the trade-off being made.
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