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Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Post by posterboy »

Horusiath wrote: post #116
mihaifm wrote: post #115

This is mostly a PR move. I currently work at DB, I can say that they make it look nice from the outside, but when you get here what you find is a large mess. It's a big difference between a bank and a company that actually ships software. Most of the work here is done in interfacing systems together, and moving data from one place to another. There is no focus on quality, just patching things together and making the…

This is not only a DB specific, a whole banking industry works like that. Systems that have <10 years are considered new ones. To keep things working, just produce 5x more services created solely to move data from one place to another. No focus on programming discipline or sense of purpose and constant fear to change anything, because that could break things and we have not enough tests or monitoring infrastructure t…

It's a fact that you can't ever have enough tests, because, for one, the tests are not tested.

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Post by nurettin »

dmitriid wrote: post #106
Quarrelsome wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SOAP in 2017? Yikes. Design by committee?

SOAP is bleeding edge in banks. Many still pull and push files to/from (S)FTP

I've done integrations with the SAP systems of a few companies. They all had problems with calling SOAP and preferred integrating through SFTP. Apparently SAP programmers have a problem using SOAP or any other sane endpoint.

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Post by freeflight »

robert_foss wrote: post #117
rjzzleep wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to walk around other countries bragging about German online banking, given that we have a standard that has been iterated upon (HBCI/FinTS) over decades and you can pretty use any online banking software with any bank. A few years have passed since then and most germans banks are still the same. Meanwhile you get instant wire transfers in a few countries. When I think Deutsche Bank and innovation, I think of m…

Having just moved to Germany the obsession with physical paperwork for various reasons is somewhat astounding.

A lot of this has to with legal definitions from a pre-digital time. Fax is considered a "secure transmission", so it's hold actual weight in the German law system. Emails? Not so much. Especiallly when working in healthcare this can be an immense logistical issue, shuffling paper prescriptions around between 3-5 parties ain't no fun and leads to prescriptions being lost in the process and a lot of beurocratic overhead.

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Post by ben_w »

neuronexmachina wrote: post #40
skissane wrote: post #22

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I would love for a few banks to dump all their old COBOL code on to GitHub. Not because it would necessarily be useful for anything, but simply because it would be fascinating to read... There is actually very little open source COBOL code available, of the massive quantities of COBOL code written over the decades the vast, vast majority of it remains closed source. Sadly I think a lot of it is just going to be lost…

> a century from now when all of us are dead who cares if our confidential info gets released to the public then? I'm reminded of Vernor Vinge's far-future scifi "A Deepness in the Sky," where "programmer-archaeologist" is one of the occupations. (along with "programmer-at-arms")

I’ve just been listening to that. It’s remarkable how much AI can already do, compared to the limits assumed in the story.

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Post by whyever »

odiroot wrote: post #92
pavlov wrote: post #17

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The bank has the distinction of being mentioned in Kraftwerk’s 1983 song Computer World : ”Interpol, Deutsche Bank, FBI, Scotland Yard, Flensburg und das BKA, haben unsere Daten da.”

The rest I understand but why Flensburg?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_system_(driving)#Germany

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Post by adrianN »

ENGNR wrote: post #83
tetha wrote: post #82

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As I keep saying. Some people chuckle about Warhammer 40k Techno Priests. The only people in the warhammer universe with some chance to understand the centuries old compuer systems and machines. Other people work with legacy systems.

It's pretty genius how they've turned ancient maintenance routines into prayers and rituals in order to preserve the knowledge and scale out the work force

The oldest occurence of this idea that I know of is in Asimov's Foundation series, where a class of priests preserves knowledge about nuclear technology and robots.

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Post by [deleted] »

mihaifm wrote: post #115

This is mostly a PR move. I currently work at DB, I can say that they make it look nice from the outside, but when you get here what you find is a large mess. It's a big difference between a bank and a company that actually ships software. Most of the work here is done in interfacing systems together, and moving data from one place to another. There is no focus on quality, just patching things together and making the…

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Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Post by user5994461 »

stephengillie wrote: post #25
cutler wrote: post #24

ProtobufTransportProtocolSerializationProvider Enterprise OO Garbage is alive and well.

How would we prevent this? Asking for a friend.

Don't prevent them, encourage them.

The next guy who work on your code will be happy to have variable and class names longer than 3 characters. Short names are evil.

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Post by biztos »

robert_foss wrote: post #117
rjzzleep wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to walk around other countries bragging about German online banking, given that we have a standard that has been iterated upon (HBCI/FinTS) over decades and you can pretty use any online banking software with any bank. A few years have passed since then and most germans banks are still the same. Meanwhile you get instant wire transfers in a few countries. When I think Deutsche Bank and innovation, I think of m…

Having just moved to Germany the obsession with physical paperwork for various reasons is somewhat astounding.

Germany requires a lot of high-touch interaction to get anything official done, but in Hungary I have to sign seven (seven!) pages in order to send a DHL letter. So it can be much worse. :-)
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