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Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Post by Quarrelsome »

rjzzleep wrote: post #100
kayoone wrote: post #86

I went to a Deutsche Bank Hackathon last year in Berlin where they announced opening up their apis. https://developer.db.com/ They touted it as being innovative and open but in the end all Banks are required to open up when PSD2 comes into effect next year. Seeing this release, maybe they have honest intentions for being more open, but it being Deutsche i still have my doubts.

I used to walk around other countries bragging about German online banking, given that we have a standard that has been iterated upon (HBCI/FinTS) over decades and you can pretty use any online banking software with any bank. A few years have passed since then and most germans banks are still the same. Meanwhile you get instant wire transfers in a few countries. When I think Deutsche Bank and innovation, I think of m…

SOAP in 2017? Yikes. Design by committee?

Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Post by Moru »

skissane wrote: post #22
cbcoutinho wrote: post #3

Get ready for a data dump of 40 year old COBOL code /s But in all seriousness, this is a great step forward in institutional software. Open up software to further progress towards standardizing an industry's software interface.

I would love for a few banks to dump all their old COBOL code on to GitHub. Not because it would necessarily be useful for anything, but simply because it would be fascinating to read... There is actually very little open source COBOL code available, of the massive quantities of COBOL code written over the decades the vast, vast majority of it remains closed source. Sadly I think a lot of it is just going to be lost…

I'm sure the inventor of the time-travel machine will be very happy with such a treassure :-)

Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Post by TimMurnaghan »

One of their competitors, Dresdner Bank, did something similar in 2001 when the open sourced their messaging middleware code as Openadapter. https://github.com/openadaptor/openadaptor It's pretty good and I actually used it at a commodity trader, but this kind of integration is pretty niche and while Openadapter is still around it never caught on in a big way. I expect that this will be similar - hardly anybody else will have the same mix of systems to connect to and it's unlikely to have a very big impact.

Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Post by Moru »

cm2187 wrote: post #81
cbcoutinho wrote: post #3

Get ready for a data dump of 40 year old COBOL code /s But in all seriousness, this is a great step forward in institutional software. Open up software to further progress towards standardizing an industry's software interface.

Looking at the code I cannot find any finance related code (searching for the terms bond, swap, future). So it must be a communication protocol only but doesn't cover the products. Why not using a simple REST API then?

There are a big likelihood that they used german terms since it's a german bank. Sourcecode written in other languages are not funny to read.

Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

#105

Post by johnny_reilly »

TimMurnaghan wrote: post #103

One of their competitors, Dresdner Bank, did something similar in 2001 when the open sourced their messaging middleware code as Openadapter. https://github.com/openadaptor/openadaptor It's pretty good and I actually used it at a commodity trader, but this kind of integration is pretty niche and while Openadapter is still around it never caught on in a big way. I expect that this will be similar - hardly anybody else…

Flashback! I worked for Commerzbank back in the day (which ended up absorbing Dresdner). Anyway, I had to work on plugging various CB systems into the Dresdner openadaptor. I met the guys behind it (they were on the floor below me) Really nice chaps. If memory serves they ended up leaving essentially due to the merger but they were really helpful in the time before they left.

Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Post by dmitriid »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #101
rjzzleep wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to walk around other countries bragging about German online banking, given that we have a standard that has been iterated upon (HBCI/FinTS) over decades and you can pretty use any online banking software with any bank. A few years have passed since then and most germans banks are still the same. Meanwhile you get instant wire transfers in a few countries. When I think Deutsche Bank and innovation, I think of m…

SOAP in 2017? Yikes. Design by committee?

SOAP is bleeding edge in banks. Many still pull and push files to/from (S)FTP

Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

#107

Post by cm2187 »

Moru wrote: post #104
cm2187 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the code I cannot find any finance related code (searching for the terms bond, swap, future). So it must be a communication protocol only but doesn't cover the products. Why not using a simple REST API then?

There are a big likelihood that they used german terms since it's a german bank. Sourcecode written in other languages are not funny to read.

I very much doubt so. Most of the IB, even at Deutsche Bank, doesn't speak German. And from what I can tell it seems to be in English.

Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

#108

Post by fuck_google »

gt_ wrote: post #54
skissane wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love for a few banks to dump all their old COBOL code on to GitHub. Not because it would necessarily be useful for anything, but simply because it would be fascinating to read... There is actually very little open source COBOL code available, of the massive quantities of COBOL code written over the decades the vast, vast majority of it remains closed source. Sadly I think a lot of it is just going to be lost…

For a probably extreme but real example, I think I would prefer my Grandfather's specific duties with the Atomic Energy Commission in the 1940s not be released. I don't even like talking about what kind of scientist he was in some crowds.

Yet you have no problem bringing that to everyone's attention.

Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Post by hyperdunc »

dmitriid wrote: post #106
Quarrelsome wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SOAP in 2017? Yikes. Design by committee?

SOAP is bleeding edge in banks. Many still pull and push files to/from (S)FTP

Yes, but surely it's possible to jump straight to REST or beyond.

Re: Deutsche Bank makes source code publicly available for the first time

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Post by 6ue7nNMEEbHcM »

cutler wrote: post #66
borplk wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfair to label this as "Enterprise OO Garbage". It's simply a verbose name.

Verbose languages encourage a culture of verbosity which in turn produces verbose architecture.

What's wrong about it?
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