Rich Hickey's response to “On whose authority?”

Post by _halgari » Sun, Oct 08, 2017, 4:39 PM UTC

jasode wrote: post #23

moomin wrote: post #7

I've read the original article and, to be quite honest, couldn't actually determine what point it was trying to make. The action items seemed to have very little to do with the rest of the rant. I actually read the response first and the weird thing is: I couldn't really tell you what exactly the response is replying to. I feel like the whole thing is a huge amount of verbiage expressing frustration and broken motive…

>, couldn't actually determine what point it was trying to make. In the poorly written Chris Zheng rant, there was a link to a more mature blog post by Eric Normand.[1] (It would have been better use of Rich Hickey's time to ignore CZ and respond to Eric, but alas.) In any case, CZ is upset that Cognitec drives the evolution of Clojure and its libraries more than the community outside of Cognitec . E.g. one of his fr…

Post by hellofunk » Sun, Oct 08, 2017, 7:24 PM UTC

darksaints wrote: post #60

Naomarik wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never had to make a context switch between clojure and clojurescript. If differences in semantics means I have to change how I think about solving the problem at hand, then that has been pretty much non existent in my experience. Of course with one you have browser APIs and the other is java, but when it comes to building up and transforming datastructures everything I've been doing works the same on both. This…

> I've never had to make a context switch between clojure and clojurescript. If differences in semantics means I have to change how I think about solving the problem at hand, then that has been pretty much non existent in my experience. Of course with one you have browser APIs and the other is java, but when it comes to building up and transforming datastructures everything I've been doing works the same on both. In…

      WARNING: cljs.core/+, all arguments must be numbers, got [number string] instead. at line 1 

Post by zcaudate » Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 5:02 AM UTC

Post by zcaudate » Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 5:38 AM UTC

jasode wrote: post #23

moomin wrote: post #7

I've read the original article and, to be quite honest, couldn't actually determine what point it was trying to make. The action items seemed to have very little to do with the rest of the rant. I actually read the response first and the weird thing is: I couldn't really tell you what exactly the response is replying to. I feel like the whole thing is a huge amount of verbiage expressing frustration and broken motive…

>, couldn't actually determine what point it was trying to make. In the poorly written Chris Zheng rant, there was a link to a more mature blog post by Eric Normand.[1] (It would have been better use of Rich Hickey's time to ignore CZ and respond to Eric, but alas.) In any case, CZ is upset that Cognitec drives the evolution of Clojure and its libraries more than the community outside of Cognitec . E.g. one of his fr…

Post by zcaudate » Mon, Oct 09, 2017, 6:19 AM UTC

mshenfield wrote: post #46

kccqzy wrote: post #24

My favorite sentence from the response is this one: “The presumption that everything is or ought to be a community endeavor is severely broken.” Community is a broad word. It can mean a bunch of very smart people working in concert to produce something truly magnificent, or it can mean giving the keys to a bunch of clowns and watching them mess around and make fun of themselves. I really wonder this whenever I see so…

That sentence also struck a chord with me. The dictionary definition of community: > n. A group of people having common interests: the scientific community; the international business community. The "Clojure community" is a group of people having a common interest in Clojure. The sentence doesn't disparage the community, or discourage engaging with the community. Rich Hickey's 1000 word response makes the case, and i…