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On the devastating effects of a year in space

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Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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I’m a little confused why only 48 hours after his return from space, he’s sleeping at home with his girlfriend and debating whether to take aspirin or go to the emergency room. I would have expected significant medical attention for much longer than 48 hours, given that this was the primary purpose for his extended stay on the ISS.

That was my first reaction as well. Monitor and keep him near the experts.

Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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I’m a little confused why only 48 hours after his return from space, he’s sleeping at home with his girlfriend and debating whether to take aspirin or go to the emergency room. I would have expected significant medical attention for much longer than 48 hours, given that this was the primary purpose for his extended stay on the ISS.

The man just gave a year of his life. I expect NASA has a strong fairness and mental health reasons to reunite him with his family and loved ones as quickly as possible. Allowing him to spend his 3rd night back on earth at home seems like a small price for science to pay.

For sure, with the added instruction "Hey dude if your legs blow up like balloons and you come out in a weird rash call this number, k?"

Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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Interesting start to the article, but kind of annoyed I read to the end to find its basically a teaser for Kelly's book, and the stuff about his health problems etc. is never followed up on. Wish they'd at least put that at the top of the article.

It worked on me, I'm looking forward to buying the book. Is this the first time you've come across an excerpt teaser on the internet?

Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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Based on the experience of cosmonauts who spent long periods of time on various Mir missions in the 1980s and 1990s, what is the long-term impact of staying in zero-gravity space for so long? If they lost bone mass, the walls of their hearts became thinner, and they received the equivalent of 10 chest X-rays daily over hundreds of days in space, are they experiencing debilitating effects 20 or 30 years later?

The current record holder doesn't seem to be doing too bad. Although he doesn't seem to be very public in the last few years, but he's still around at 75, I'd like to live to this age. > completed his second flight into space in 1994–1995, spending 437 days in space > Polyakov did not suffer from any prolonged performance impairments after returning to Earth

There probably is some selection bias there. Astro/cosmo/taikonauts are, on average, quite a bit more healthy than the general population.

Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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Say what? I cannot find a single friend or family member who wouldn't be complaining at the healthcare; and those who are healthy just complain how high deductibles are in case they got sick. Have you ever been to Europe? Some west-block countries like Germany? Same wait time for private sector only at the 10% cost surgeries, xrays you name it, with the same equipment that USA is using in most cases.

He didn't say everybody. He said most people. It's impossible to give everybody awesome treatment, unless of course you want to pay for it.

It's not only possible, it's typically less expensive on a per-capita basis than what the US is doing now.

The system isn't perfect here, some people fall through the cracks or live so far away from a doctor that they can't get the care they need, but anyone that's able to see a doctor or visit a hospital will get the same treatment as anyone else who can.

I don't think you realize how much money is lost in the black hole of insurance paperwork and claims processing. People spend way too much time, doctors spend way too much time, and the hospitals spend way too much time. All of that goes away under single-payer, it simply vanishes.

Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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He didn't say everybody. He said most people. It's impossible to give everybody awesome treatment, unless of course you want to pay for it.

It's not only possible, it's typically less expensive on a per-capita basis than what the US is doing now. The system isn't perfect here, some people fall through the cracks or live so far away from a doctor that they can't get the care they need, but anyone that's able to see a doctor or visit a hospital will get the same treatment as anyone else who can. I don't think you realize how much money is lost in the black…

The quality of care must go down for some, right? It's not possible to a) keep the same existing standard of care for all, b) maintain prices, or c) keep the same level of profit for the industry. Something has to give. If [a] and [b] are true, then profits will be lower, and therefore quality will suffer next.

Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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post #73

Interesting start to the article, but kind of annoyed I read to the end to find its basically a teaser for Kelly's book, and the stuff about his health problems etc. is never followed up on. Wish they'd at least put that at the top of the article.

It worked on me, I'm looking forward to buying the book. Is this the first time you've come across an excerpt teaser on the internet?

It's basically just clickbait on a different scale. Clickbait doesn't stop being annoying just because it's common.

Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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It's still a daunting prospect for those expecting to return from mars to earth.

I had been somewhat under the impression that current colonization plans were one-way deals. Agreed that it'll be an issue once we have the infrastructure and desire to return to Earth.

I highly doubt people born and raised on Mars (if it is even possible to live long-term there) could ever live on Earth -- simply with respect to gravity and developmental consequences.

Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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There actually was a proposal for one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus-X There's also this issue: "Another problem is that we do know of adverse effects that arise at high rotational rates of speed. The Coriolis Effect has to do with rotating reference frames and it can seriously screw with the inner ear. The only way to maintain a strong centrifugal gravity while keeping rotational speed low is to lengthen th…

One way to make it "big enough" is to put a weight on the end of a long cable, and spin the combination. It wouldn't need to be a full g either, some should be a lot better than nothing. With a cable, though, there might be weird problems with oscillations.

Yea, I think tethers in space are still considered quite tricky.

Re: On the devastating effects of a year in space

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It's not only possible, it's typically less expensive on a per-capita basis than what the US is doing now. The system isn't perfect here, some people fall through the cracks or live so far away from a doctor that they can't get the care they need, but anyone that's able to see a doctor or visit a hospital will get the same treatment as anyone else who can. I don't think you realize how much money is lost in the black…

The quality of care must go down for some, right? It's not possible to a) keep the same existing standard of care for all, b) maintain prices, or c) keep the same level of profit for the industry. Something has to give. If [a] and [b] are true, then profits will be lower, and therefore quality will suffer next.

I think the parent is taking about a third party, insurers who is taking money from a,b, and c.
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