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Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by tkahn6 » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 3:26 AM UTC

jlcgull wrote: post #14

tkahn6 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you will understand how offensive and unnecessary your first statement is after looking at this photo: http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/auschwitz-corpses.j...

I think you will understand how analogy works by watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-fI3KEgy6c edited to add: Beware, for history repeats itself. Just because heinous crimes were documented in the past is no guarantee that they will not be repeated by spineless authoritarians.

Ah, I seem to have given you more credit than you deserve. I watched the video but it's not related to any part of this discussion.

Just because an analogy has been made does not make it a good one.

Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by yewweitan » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 3:29 AM UTC

Well, as an Aussie myself, I'd certainly like to see this issue raised a little more, especially with the election coming round on 21st Aug.

Let's hope movements like Election Wire http://www.youtube.com/youthscape will change things.

Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by magma » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 3:31 AM UTC

I'm curious as to how the elections are going to change this policy. As suggested in the thread, they are trying to keep things quiet until the elections.

However what happens if the Labor party loses. Is the opposition going to support this as well?

Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by jlcgull » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 3:31 AM UTC

tkahn6 wrote: post #21

jlcgull wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you will understand how analogy works by watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-fI3KEgy6c edited to add: Beware, for history repeats itself. Just because heinous crimes were documented in the past is no guarantee that they will not be repeated by spineless authoritarians.

Ah, I seem to have given you more credit than you deserve. I watched the video but it's not related to any part of this discussion. Just because an analogy has been made does not make it a good one.

The only relevant reply, unfortunately, was not even in reply to my OP !!!

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1543020

Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by jlcgull » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 3:39 AM UTC

yewweitan wrote: post #22

Well, as an Aussie myself, I'd certainly like to see this issue raised a little more, especially with the election coming round on 21st Aug. Let's hope movements like Election Wire http://www.youtube.com/youthscape will change things.

Upvoted.

Seems like a positive way make dent on the incumbent censor-happy morons.

Good luck Australia!

Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by robryan » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 3:39 AM UTC

bennysaurus wrote: post #18

spamizbad wrote: post #8

What is the Australian government's political rational behind implementing this plan? I highly doubt Australia has a contingent of voters who demand Internet censorship, and unlike China it's not like there's some sort of regime that needs to purge unfriendly ideas from circulating. This whole endeavor seems completely unnecessary. Any Australians know what the heck is behind this?

The confusing thing is the people implementing the decisions seem to know very little about the way the web works. The filter itself is being brought under the premise of filtering out child porn and 'undesirable and illegal content', however minutes from a meeting earlier this year detailed that only around 30% of the filtered list dealt with this sort of material. There has been no explanation as to what the other…

There was an article earlier this year in which Conroy was quoted as saying that Google could have gained your banking details with the street view car and unsecured wireless. Seemed from the language used that he didn't get the idea of a SSL connection.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/we-ditched-...

Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by sown » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 4:00 AM UTC

Who keeps making these rules?

Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by jakevoytko » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 4:02 AM UTC

The citizens of Australia should obviously skip straight to the Molotov Cocktails to avoid more "unnecessary debate"!

Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by luke_f » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 4:43 AM UTC

froo wrote: post #19

mkramlich wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure Hitler had exposure to neither video games or the Internet and yet look what he went on to do.

Godwin's Law, never fails.

Actually I was going to suggest Genghis Khan to circumvent Godwin.

Re: Austrialia censors 90% of web censorship plan to avoid "unnecessary debate"

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Post by luke_f » Sat, Jul 24, 2010, 4:59 AM UTC

The filter can't be about anything other than shoring up political support. Hopefully the incumbents pick up a few seats in the election and they'll be able to drop the legislation.

We love to call politicians stupid, but they're not that dumb. It's been pointed out ad-nauseum that the filter wont achieve the stated purpose (eradication of online child porn). The rationale has moved to making sure kiddies don't 'stumble' upon the internet nasties.

More sensible legislation would be to mandate that ISPs offer filtered & unfiltered connections. Individual households could then make their own choices.