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Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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I had a similar experience with Google; a mutual NDA was signed as seen here https://goo.gl/K9Wd1U . - Feb 2013 created SpeakerBlast; turn multiple devices into one sync speaker via a URL - March 2013 Samsung released the Galaxy 4 with Group Play (same concept as SpeakerBlast) - April 2013 Google/Motorola emails/calls me asking would I sell SpeakerBlast for inclusion into the Moto X - May 2013 Fly out from Baltimore…

A possible explanation: Google was interested in your technology. They setup a meeting. After you gave them more details, they decided that your technology wasn't anything special, and they passed. No particular malice here.

Your job during an M&A meeting is to convince the other side that you have unique technology and knowledge that will be very costly to replicate. You are trying to sell your technology.

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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I call this bullshit. > "Project Genie to educate Google about his proprietary ideas and techniques so they could develop a working proof of concept of his Engineered Architecture technology" Parametric design and integration into AEC is industry standard since the 80-ies, and a long-time goal of virtually all design software manufacturers. Everybody had a take on this moonshot, and eventually it will get there. It s…

They were not "recursive", as I recall. Care to share a few patterns?

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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This is just plain scummy. Their defense is a that it's legal but this is just plain ridiculous. How do you fight a company that has a team of lawyers that can sink you for years and doing so prevents future attempts from happening. I think the NDA meetings that result in what the lawsuits allege. Note, allege. Should have more stringent regulations to protect the smaller guy. Also google sinking its paws into everyt…

It got that far long a few years ago at least. If we had sensible enforcement of the regulations and laws against monopolies, Google would have been broken up already.

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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Guess they would have passed on Facebook then.

They did... Although I’m sure Zuck would have turned them down regardless.

Sure. Still seems an odd arbitrary criteria. Wikipedia seems to do fine with php, as do several other large sites.

Would they pass up booking.com solely because it's Perl? The value there hasn't much to do with the plumbing.

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did... Although I’m sure Zuck would have turned them down regardless.

Sure. Still seems an odd arbitrary criteria. Wikipedia seems to do fine with php, as do several other large sites. Would they pass up booking.com solely because it's Perl? The value there hasn't much to do with the plumbing.

Php today bears little resemblance to the performance drag it was years ago.

I’d wager they’d take a closer look these days.

That said, there is a lot of poorly written legacy php code out there before frameworks really took off for that language.

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also presents Google’s answer, which was > that Attia gave Google rights to his technology “without a condition of later payment.” They admit they did it, but claim they were in the right to do it.

Could that mean that the condition was immediate payment? (Salary,bonus, stock, ...)

Or it could have been that he only gets paid if that very specific project would make profit, etc.

There’s many way to write such a contract.

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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> Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but a judge in the case noted last year that the firm has argued that Attia gave Google rights to his technology “without a condition of later payment.” So Google's defense isn't even that the substance of the accusations are false, but that they had the legal ability to do so? Is this common behavior for Google, if the story is true? This may be naive, b…

Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but a judge in the case noted last year that the firm has argued that Attia gave Google rights to his technology “without a condition of later payment.”

This is why, when you visit Google, you should never sign the overreaching NDA for a visitor's badge. You still get a visitor's badge; it just has a warning on it so Googlers know not to tell you too much.

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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This is off-topic, but "no php"?

PHP has historically sucked. http://www.cvedetails.com/product/128/PHP-PHP.html?vendor_id... I have gotten out of the consulting world a bit, but for a while a php codebase meant I would double my estimated time on any quote I sent out. There is terrible php out there and most of it is vulnerable to every one of the OWASP top 10.

What would you consider an exact replacement? And by exact I mean upload a file and off you go? Ease of installing it on shared web hosts is only really important when empowering wider audience to self-host is a concern, but when it is, is there even just one thing that competes? I'm not saying this to be argumentative, I just ended up using PHP for a bunch of things because it works fine (and minor utilities I wrote like 10 years ago still run perfectly well, minor adjustments required as PHP was upgraded). But my ego isn't in this, I'm a crap coder in any language I use, but being able to run my site on localhost EZ PZ and just upload changed files and the database every now and then is just gold. I'd love to rewrite it to be even faster, and it's not that I find PHP very pretty. But the current iteration just runs so perfectly smoothly I keep putting off the ritual rewriting.

The only other thing I like other than PHP is something that's even dumber, and that's rewriting it in C++. That's the language I love, using it like C with classes instead of structs, and overloaded operators. That's all I ever wanted in life, really. Anything else? Let it mature 10 years, and not be pushed by one of these companies so super keen on being middlemen. Until then I'd rather derp around than buy into any of it.

I know I'm full of it, but here's how I write super secure code: I simply start with nothing, and add things slowly and deliberately. The program doesn't do anything I don't whitelist it to do. Orwell said if people can't write properly, they can't think properly... well, if you need a linter to learn to put a semicolon every single time, or a safe language [sic] to realize you're dealing with user input, can you code properly? I say this as the worst coder in the world, but I still wonder. Orwell probably had people who proofread for him which is where it all falls down, and I honestly don't consider myself a good programmer. I'm not above compiler warnings. But I don't believe in that to the extreme, I don't believe in looking at the GPS instead of the road.

Granted, that's all for things I intend to use for myself, with me being the only user, and I'm also fond of having a local authoritative copy and just syncing the changes one way, other than simple stats that get generated on the server. That way, not having critical data that could be stolen, I only have to worry about maybe rogue files getting dropped on the server. Didn't happen yet, I'm sure if I was paranoid I'd find a way to automate that. Bam, done. Not useful for a lot, but if everybody did that instead of flocking to yet another silo, just make up their own crummy stuff but be as careful as they can while they do it, there'd be a lot less tears over data breaches. Security through individuality.

Okay, I guess I am being argumentative, sorry. But it's not because I feel left behind, it's because I'm bored. Not at the moment, but with web dev trends, and Google. I just have to roll my eyes so much when I see screens of requirements to tinker with the same 3 tutorial type projects. If you need more than PHP to make something like, say, HN or blogspot.com, what are you even doing? And then look at the HTML source of just about any Google page. I don't care what they use to spit that out, I'm sure it's a million best practices used perfectly, but the result turns me off so badly. If that's super useful and fun, good for the people enjoying it, then they won't miss me doing it, too.

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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As a former insider, I can tell you likely pre-story which might cast a different light on this: * Google employee comes up with an idea. * They go and research the idea to check if there are any already existing companies which do it. * If any are found, they meet and decide if they should buy the company, reinvent the idea, or that it isn't relevant. * If, after investigation it is determined the company's tech isn…

Are you an insider of this specific case or just another person who knows how Google works internally?
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