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What's the ultimate way to defy depression, disease and early death? Exercise

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Re: What's the ultimate way to defy depression, disease and early death? Exercise

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I agree with the article but put it differently.

To say exercise lowers depression, disease, and death normalizes inactivity.

You can define normal how you want, but I prefer to think of exercise as normal and that lack of it contributes to depression, disease, and death.

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It's great to have a dog that will be walked every day on every weather. Ok if you have a cold it's not such a great thing but as a desk worker you must go out and walk at least one hour per day around.

Yes since I bought a dog 3 years ago I walk or run with her almost every day and I'm definitely fitter for it.

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Exposure to weather conditions, hot and cold is also critical.

First time I have heard that. Got any references, I would like to read more?

tu7001's comment shouldn't be down voted, it is correct. The human body has to expend energy to heat or cool itself when the ambient environment is outside a certain narrow range. Sweating burns some calories, even if you're just sitting around. When we spend our time inside climate controlled rooms then we burn fewer calories. The effect is small, but measurable.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3975627/

Re: What's the ultimate way to defy depression, disease and early death? Exercise

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It's great to have a dog that will be walked every day on every weather. Ok if you have a cold it's not such a great thing but as a desk worker you must go out and walk at least one hour per day around.

I agree with this. If you like animals and are responsible enough to have what amounts to a light version of a child, then dogs are excellent for encouraging activity since they require daily walks.

"light version of a child" is funny :) It's like a child but without the stress ;)

Re: What's the ultimate way to defy depression, disease and early death? Exercise

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Just in case you need to read this again, exercise changed my life. It simply get rid of the fatigue. Dont take drugs to stay awake, go run half an hour (it really doesn't take more than that to feel tremendous effects).

I started playing tennis twice a week (would like to do it three times but those are the group times) and I love the difference. Aches have completely gone away, and I feel much fitter overall.

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I think it's amazing the way we've completely sidelined physical activity - not exercise per se, but any physical activity - in our western lives. Unless you live without a car, there is no requirement for you to walk more than 1000 steps during the day. Wake up, drive to work, sit at your desk, drive to a restaurant for dinner, drive home, plop down on your couch. Rinse, repeat. Even if you do decide to work out, it…

But especially so in the US in comparison to Europe - in the US the urban form implicitly precludes walking through low density of housing and lack what we call pavement in the UK, whereas in Europe more people live in settlements that are focused on an identifiable centre, with walking routes to that centre. Even worse, in some places in the US walking is explicitly banned! However even in spite of that we manage in Europe to be following the US in porking out as a population, so I guess we must be walking less over here also. Personally I find myself walking less and less these days because I can feel the diesel soot making my chest tight, and that really cannot be good for my health. The sooner they get rid of diesel the better.

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#37

It's great to have a dog that will be walked every day on every weather. Ok if you have a cold it's not such a great thing but as a desk worker you must go out and walk at least one hour per day around.

Sometimes it winds me up to have to do it, but I can't not do it or the poor dog ends up miserable. It's the perfect way to force yourself to do at least a minimum every day.

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I reversed diabetes with diet alone by doing my own research[1], taking charge of my health. I lost 180lbs in the process. No exercise (disabled). Very much a work in progress. I'm not rejecting the importance of exercise for health - I follow the general principal of eating to get healthy, exercising to get fit - but I think we skip over the absolute tragedy that is the Standard American Diet at our peril. Recoverin…

I'm on the same track as you, I've lost about 80lbs so far and I've done zero exercise.

I've found that when I tell people this, they worry about my health even more than they did when I was 80lbs heavier. It's bizarre.

Never mind the fact that my blood pressure is now a pristine 110 over 70, all my pre-diabetic symptoms have disappeared, my sleep apnea is cured, my gastroesophageal reflux disease is completely gone, my cholesterol and triglycerides are back to normal, etc.

The fact is exercise has an almost negligible impact on weight loss.

Let's be very generous and say an hour of typical exercise burns 350 calories. If you're overweight, compare that to the 120 calories you burn per hour spent sitting in your chair. That's an extra 230 calories you burned by exercising for an hour.

That 230 calorie expenditure costs you:

* 1.5 to 2 hours of disruption to your daily life

* An hour spent being extremely bored and uncomfortable

* An ever-growing amount of generalized aches and joint pains as you put together consecutive days of doing this

And at 230 calories per hour, doing an hour of exercise every single day nets you 1610 calories per week, which is less than 1 pound of fat loss every 2 weeks. You turn your whole life upside-down, make yourself miserable and in pain every single day, take significant time away from work and studying and family, and all you get is LESS THAN 1 additional pound lost every 2 weeks.

I honestly think the net impact of promoting exercise as a weight loss option is people getting and staying fatter. People have a tendency to dramatically overestimate the calories they're burning, people want to use exercise as a way to avoid having to eat less, and people use exercise as an excuse to eat more. It also causes an amount of disruption and discomfort in people's lives that's probably the number one cause of people giving up on their weight loss goals.

As far as health impacts, I'm still not convinced on the cause-and-effect here. I want to start doing some physical activities soon, but that's not going to cause me to be less depressed, that's a result of me being less depressed because of all the weight I've been losing. All the studies I've seen on exercise and health draw the same sort of "playing basketball makes you taller"-conclusion.

Re: What's the ultimate way to defy depression, disease and early death? Exercise

#39

Ah yes, let me just conjure up some motivation to get rid of my lack of motivation.

I think it's more organisation than motivation, at least for me. I think most people if someone knocked on the door once a day and said 'hey were off cycling/walking/whatever for an hour, wanna come?' and you had the time available would go. The key is to make it fun and convenient, and then motivation creates itself.

Re: What's the ultimate way to defy depression, disease and early death? Exercise

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I reversed diabetes with diet alone by doing my own research[1], taking charge of my health. I lost 180lbs in the process. No exercise (disabled). Very much a work in progress. I'm not rejecting the importance of exercise for health - I follow the general principal of eating to get healthy, exercising to get fit - but I think we skip over the absolute tragedy that is the Standard American Diet at our peril. Recoverin…

Exercise is probably over rated is my opinion. Moderate activity like not being a couch potato, and walking around is probably good enough for most people rather than vigorous exercise. Also correlation is confused with causation. The person who is is not active is not necessarily lazy. It the the probably obesity and ill health that makes him/her inactive. Personally I'm on a ketogenic ( about 60 %to 90% calories from saturated fat) nearly all carnivorous diet for the last 4 years. Vegetables, fruit and greens aren't necessarily your best foods. I regret all the earlier years spend eating main stream definition of a 'healthy diet' ( low saturated fat, little or no meat, lots of greens, whole grains and other nonsense.) Takeaway - you can fool most people most of the times, including the mainstream 'scientific' community.
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