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> Is this common behavior for Google, if the story is true? It depends on details of his contract. It's quite plausible his employment contract in "Project X" did say that he would transfer knowledge and ideas in exchange for money. It's pretty standard stuff. In other words, it might not be exactly a slam dunk case. A racketeering charge seems pretty outrageous as well. However if Google did these things (which look…

Based on my similar experience with Google ATAP I bet they do this a lot! I've detailed my experience below... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15422475

Oh wow. That was pretty brazen of them. They sized you up and decided "What's the chance they'll have resources to sue us? No much probably. So just take their idea and go with it".

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Where are all the people who are always disclaiming to work for Google in every thread about Google? Weird you’re silent on this.

I work at Google.. I am just a lowly engineer and know nothing about this so I have nothing to say.

I miss the days when I could comment and people would think I was just a person with an opinion.

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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>"It's quite plausible his employment contract in "Project X" did say that he would transfer knowledge and ideas in exchange for money." I'm curious about your comment that this is "pretty standard stuff." Do you mean in the context of Google X agreements? Do you transfer intellectual property to them as part of the employment contract? Are you paid a flat fee? Do they pay a "kill" fee if Google X ultimately decides…

In general in employment contracts in technology it seems. Any software written or ideas related to the field of employment get transferred to the employer. In some cases (have read it on HN here) people have successfully modified their employment contract to exclude some of the clauses like that. > Are you paid a flat fee? Do they pay a "kill" fee if Google X ultimately decides not pursue your idea and terminates yo…

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Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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It has been going on for a while: https://www.theverge.com/2015/2/17/8048779/google-x-eli-atti... This 2008 patent application has a number of interesting illustrations: https://www.google.com/patents/US20090234696 (note the actually granted Google patents that reference this one) Seems like the original idea was LEGO-like modular system of components that can be combined into buildings.

>Seems like the original idea was LEGO-like modular system of components that can be combined into buildings.

Which in itself it is not entirely new and largely pre-dates the advent of computers as we know them today.

In the '80's and '90's there were all sorts of experiments in the field, it was a "trend" explored in many countries, "modular building prefabrication".

I was involved in the time in several projects (and actual constructions) though surely things may have become easier today (thanks to CAD, CAE and new materials/techniques), at the time the results were not as good as hypothized in the patent, aspecially for "civil" buildings.

Specifically there was a definite saving of time in the building phase, BUT the resulting building was either at a "lower" standard/level than a more traditional construction or - to have the same standard/level - the costs were not so much lower.

The base concept has been used for decades in "industrial" buildings, such as factories and warehouses, however those used a much lesser number of different (and simpler) components, and more or less they are anyway always a parallelepiped of some kind.

Simply (and not so surprisingly) the techniques developed at the time for houses/office buildings made only sense in very large scale projects as the cost of (besides constructing them and assembling them) storing, managing and transporting/delivering the components killed the economic savings possible in theory.

If (when) a "build components on demand" scheme and a "continuous flow of production" was possible it did make sense, unfortunately this is not what normally happens in the real world, there were months/years when the production was lower than demand and then for whatever reasons there were months/years with no or very low demand, thus costs of plants ate the savings.

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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The best way this can affect Google is if the people they want to 'partner' with in the future turn around and tell them: "sorry you guys have a reputation now for being untrustworthy partners. We'd love to work with you but you will have to pay up big and first before we even share even the smallest details"

Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this common behavior for Google, if the story is true? It depends on details of his contract. It's quite plausible his employment contract in "Project X" did say that he would transfer knowledge and ideas in exchange for money. It's pretty standard stuff. In other words, it might not be exactly a slam dunk case. A racketeering charge seems pretty outrageous as well. However if Google did these things (which look…

Based on my similar experience with Google ATAP I bet they do this a lot! I've detailed my experience below... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15422475

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Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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> Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but a judge in the case noted last year that the firm has argued that Attia gave Google rights to his technology “without a condition of later payment.” So Google's defense isn't even that the substance of the accusations are false, but that they had the legal ability to do so? Is this common behavior for Google, if the story is true? This may be naive, b…

No worries, they'll release a Parsey McParseface and then the world knows again that they're just a geeky tech startup having some fun. Google is an advertising company. They can easily sacrifice reputation where it brings them the most profit and fix it again with a bit of PR.

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Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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>> So Google's defense isn't even that the substance of the accusations are false, but that they had the legal ability to do so? But they were under NDA not to disclose the ideas, and yet they started a company marketing a product based on those ideas. If this is a correct interpretation, they don't have the legal ability to do so. Of course the wording of the NDA is everything in a case like this. I'm assuming Googl…

How many of your NDAs have you gotten huge silicon valley companies to sign? If you're a little guy, that never happens.

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Re: Google accused of racketeering in lawsuit

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Thanks for sharing this. Sorry to hear about how you were given the run around. It reminded me of the advice from one of Paul Graham's essays: Don't Talk to Corp Dev [1] >Distractions are the thing you can least afford in a startup. And conversations with corp dev are the worst sort of distraction, because as well as consuming your attention they undermine your morale. [1] http://www.paulgraham.com/corpdev.html

This advice is gold. But it isn’t easy to overcome the temptation of imagining that any convo with any division of mega Corp is the lucky break you always hoped for.

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