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I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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It's the powers that be (money; pharmaceutical industry) who want these substances to remain criminalized, because these substances can be way more powerful and much cheaper than anti-depressants & Co. - and without destructive side-effects. So what MDMA, LSD, psilocybin and others can do is make people much healthier and the industry a tiny bit less rich, which is only in "the people's" interest.

> and without destructive side-effects You can mess up your serotonin levels for an extended period of time through MDMA abuse. I guess that might be a direct effect rather than a side effect, but that doesn't seem to be your point.

Abuse also causes be neurological damage from oxidative stress, in the raver scene sufferers of these effects are referred to as e-tards.

But abuse of anything can be harmful, that's kind of a defining qualification of the whole concept of abuse, isn't it?

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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It would be interesting to determine the efficacy of actual MDMA (commonly available in the 90s) vs what is referred to as 'Molly' today... The issue is that they may or may not be actual MDMA - and the unscrupulous label general amphetamines as either molly or MDMA and people unfamiliar dont know it.... The clinical studies should, presumably, be also, setting a standard for the purity, dosage, quality etc around th…

Thanks samstave, yes, I am definitely looking for pointers towards something "on grid" in particular. That being said, I am pretty sure I can find the drug, I know some people that I can trust. Preferably it would be administered by the therapist, though. Thanks, too, for the caution. I have already found someone in my native country who is a psychologist who also does AI stuff with Tensorflow, so I trust them alread…

Get a test kit and understand how it works. That's the only way to have a good idea what the compound is.

https://dancesafe.org/

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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On one hand, I understand that psychedelics should be more studied than they currently are. On the other hand, I understand why they were originally banned. In a country that valued a monoculture and having a single way of life, psychedelics spurred a complete revolution with regards to social and cultural norms. It was seen as destabilizing, and a threat to the American way of life. Nowadays, our country is very dif…

Was the threat to the traditional American way of life really the reason they were made illegal? It seems more likely that it was due to the unknown and possibly dangerous nature of the drugs. As a society we have always outlawed drugs that can drastically alter perception (aside from alcohol).

"As a society we have always outlawed drugs that can drastically alter perception"

Actually, in America nationwide drug laws began in the 20th century, and it had nothing to do with health or unknown effects. Opium was outlawed as part of a general effort to "protect America" from Chinese immigrants. Heroin was outlawed because a German company held a patent on it. Cocaine was outlawed because, according to the people in Congress at the time, it drove black men crazy and made it impossible to kill them with standard police-issue sidearms (also, according to an article from the New York Times just before cocaine was banned, Jews were selling it). Marijuana prohibition was principally driven by racism and as a form of regulatory capture by industries that competed with hemp.

LSD was discovered decades before it was outlawed and the effects were well understood before it was banned. LSD happens to be one of the safest recreational drugs; in fact, the biggest danger is the poorly regulated supply chain i.e. most "LSD" on the market today is not actually LSD (as with most drugs, the ban poses a greater health risk than the drug itself). The government conducted its own extremely unethical LSD study to determine if it could be used as a mind control drug (it cannot) and knew the safety profile long before the ban. LSD was banned because of concerns that it was contributing to the moral corruption of American youth (i.e. think of all those white teenagers out partying with hippies); in other words, it was viewed as a threat to the prevailing social order (probably not a coincidence that this coincided with the civil rights movement, which was a direct challenge to that social order).

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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On one hand, I understand that psychedelics should be more studied than they currently are. On the other hand, I understand why they were originally banned. In a country that valued a monoculture and having a single way of life, psychedelics spurred a complete revolution with regards to social and cultural norms. It was seen as destabilizing, and a threat to the American way of life. Nowadays, our country is very dif…

Keep in mind that banning these drugs for personal consumption wasn’t nearly the intellectual crime that banning the research has been. Substances have been banned in cultures for thousands of years. In the US - long before psychedelics came under scrutiny - opium, cocaine, and other drugs had been made illegal, but not before the 60s was actual basic research by scientists and physicians also banned.

"opium, cocaine, and other drugs had been made illegal"

FYI, opium and cocaine were banned for overtly racist reasons:

https://www.thenation.com/article/how-myth-negro-cocaine-fie...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/15/long-o...

So I am not sure those are the best examples to prove the point that banning drug research is a greater crime than banning recreational drugs.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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>there's major (valid) fear on the part of the establishment when a radically different movement picks up steam What do you mean by "valid" here? Do you mean they are afraid for society, or themselves?

As in, there was a legitimate possibility in the 60s or with OWS that the movement would pick up enough momentum to really shake things up, power-structure-wise.

Don't forget that the civil rights movement actually was shaking things up in the 60s. I suspect that influenced political decisions by magnifying perceived threats to the prevailing social order.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Are you sure about the doses? Doesn't sound overly therapeutic to me tbh

Based on what? They're going for a different result than just getting high - the doses aren't likely to match what one might take in a club.

Interestingly, they do match recreational amounts pretty closely.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Was the threat to the traditional American way of life really the reason they were made illegal? It seems more likely that it was due to the unknown and possibly dangerous nature of the drugs. As a society we have always outlawed drugs that can drastically alter perception (aside from alcohol).

There's also an article from someone high up (sorry I'm not being more specific) in the government/presidency of the 60s who said the main reason for the drug laws was so they could lock up lots of African Americans

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-r...

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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As I get older, so much of what I grew up being totally excited with but which was considered fringe and counterculture is now being recognized as truly revolutionary.

I remember as a medical student on placement asking a palliative care physician about whether they had considered the use of MDMA in end of life care to provide dying people and their families with a potential method of spending some really incredible time together. She scoffed at the idea and continued prescribing the same old crap. 10 years later psychiatrists are saying the currently MDMA, ketamine and the psychedelics are providing the most exciting breakthroughs in modern psychiatric drugs in decades.

Re: I was in the MAPS MDMA for PTSD study

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Huh, I wonder to what extent this is dependent on the therapist understanding that you're on MDMA. I.e., would it be possible for a patient to take some MDMA (assuming you have experience with it) and then go to a therapist? I've accidentally done as much myself with close friends instead of therapists: I started partying with Molly during a period in my life where I was already starting to recognize and work through…

Some people climb mountains without professional guides. Beginners usually need a trainer and a guide to at least get started and to not end up in a life risking situation. In medical science those professionals are often called doctors and nurses.

Worth adding that a bad psychedelic experience can be quite damaging, and just like you shouldn't climb mountains without experience or a guide, you also shouldn't explore psychedelics without experience or a guide.
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